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Hold 'em or Fold 'em??? pt. 2
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| Omega_Blue |
So i just got back from yet another poker game... here's the deal.
you hold Jh10h.
two people are with you on the flop. the flop comes...
Jd Qs Jc
the small blind raises really big. the big blind calls. it's on you.
what do you do? |
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| mentalbarter |
| wow thats like a whole different language |
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| lacksesepsotygh |
| finns i sjön |
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| Omega_Blue |
| quote: | Originally posted by mentalbarter
wow thats like a whole different language |
yeah, i forgot that there aren't a whole lot of poker players up at 4:30 in the morning. |
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| rollypoles |
| go all in. at best, the small blind has pocket queens, and you still have two more cards to come up....they could both be 10s, which gives you a nearly unbeatable full house. |
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| RipYouAnother |
I'm aggressive on the flop if I've got the cards, but try to play like you're bluffing.
I would have bet a sizeable amount, not all in, until the next card was thrown. Just to raise the pot a little more.. |
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| DRM |
well the only hands u have to be careful of really are someone with pocket ladies or someone maybe on a open ended straight draw. The queens u would probably be able to tell from their pre flop play, and open ended straight would be pure luck.
Id probably raise 4x the pot and see wot the others fancy doing. |
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| rollypoles |
| ok, true....maybe not all in just yet...... |
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| wwu.punisher |
| You wouldn't want to go all-in on a hand like that.. but definitely respond with something big. |
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| Psionic |
| Yeah, don't fold. You have trips, and the chances of either of them having two queens or a queen AND a jack (of which there is only one left in the deck) is very slim. |
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| Spike |
| definately make a big raise but not too large...just enough to hook your bait and reel em in |
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| Floorfiller |
well it really depends on a lot of things.
you say that there are two people with you on the flop...well...how many people are actually in the game playing? that matters because the cards that they were delt are no longer in the deck. also if they are smart players they probably aren't in the hand with nothing and so i'd say it's definitely a good assumption that at least one of the two just hit two pair. if the person that is the small blind raises large i would think they hit the two pair and figure they're hand is the best at the moment so in order to protect they are betting large. the call from the big blind probably worries the small blind because he either has a similar two pair, a pocket over pair, or open end straight draw.
i'd say it also matters how much money is in the pot relative to the money that you are currently holding. if you have a sizeable chip lead and can afford to put another play all-in, well it might be beneficial. are you playing tournament style? cash style? if it's tournament style putting one of the players all-in will cause one of the players to most likely drop out of the hand.
if i was you i would re-raise a healthy amount and see what the small blind does. your re-raise should indicate to them that you have more than just a straight draw. chances are they'll just call you and we'll see the next card. being that you're last to act and depending on the next card this is what i'd do. if the next card comes out another queen, i'd probably have to fold because the previous round of betting would tell me that someone hit two pair on the flop. if the small blind raises all-in you can be sure that he has the better full house. if the fourth card that comes out is a blank, chances are either the small blind or the big blind will bet their two pair and the one on the straight draw should drop out if they're smart, but if i was you i'd probably at that point just go all in. once again it depends on a lot of things, but poker is about making them make a choice for all of their chips and i'd say that you have a very nice lead in the hand at that point in time. if that fourth card comes out and it's a king or a nine, i'd be cautious and probably just call any level of betting that occurs. the suit of that next card is important too. if another diamond for instance comes out and it changes the betting, well, i would also just call the action on the table.
with the last card out once again depending on what it is this is what i'd do. once again if another queen comes out, i'd probably have to just fold unless the betting is very small. if another card came out that helped a straight draw depending on what it is because you also might have had a similar draw with your ten, i'd call if money is small. really if you're playing correctly and the people you're playing with are smart, they shouldn't be making hands on the river because of the betting in the game. if say you have a straight on the board, but not to the ace and betting is big, well you might as well fold because you are beat. if another blank card comes out then i most likely would go all-in. beware of the over cards on the board. if a king or an ace had come out in either of the flop or the turn, once again depending on the people you're playing with someone could've possibly hit trips on their high pocket pair. it's hard to say what to do if they bet huge at a pot with no seeable straight of flush draw, but i'd say just call because at that point you have to at least call. you've had the lead probably the entire hand and you're probably still going to win it and if you get sucked out and lose the pot it's either because it's a really bad beat or you let yourself get sucked out. |
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