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Staying all MIDI. Can it be done?
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| superddman |
Is it possible to stay all midi without having to bounce/freeze or use other CPU/RAM-freeing techniques? I hate bouncing and I have not met one freeze that works well.
What do you guys do? Do you have some way to stay all midi or you have to constantly bounce?
Is there any host that has a usable freeze? By usable I mean ability to move the frozen parts and also edit automation envelopes. |
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| Subtle |
instead of "freezing" u can always only render a section of the track u want to freeze and bounce that to audio, then u simply disable the plugin that goes with the track.. i cant stand the freeze function, cause u cant do with the frozen parts..
but if u plan on using softsynths and ur gonna go "all MIDI" u might get in trouble for a 7-10 minute track, depending on ur computer specs of course.. ur more likely to go "all midi" if u use hardware units, such as synths or FX..
my cents :thepirate |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by superddman
Is it possible to stay all midi without having to bounce/freeze or use other CPU/RAM-freeing techniques? I hate bouncing and I have not met one freeze that works well.
What do you guys do? Do you have some way to stay all midi or you have to constantly bounce?
Is there any host that has a usable freeze? By usable I mean ability to move the frozen parts and also edit automation envelopes. |
I can understand about moving parts, but what you're asking about editing automation envelopes makes no sense. Think about it - you want to change internal plugin parameters after the part has already been rendered and frozen. There is no way to do that, in any host, in any software.
My solution was to add another workstation to distribute the processing load. Sometimes I have to bounce one or two channels, but generally I haven't run into any CPU problems since then. |
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| Axolotyl |
I find I usually have to render to audio after the first pass of fx and eq. Mastering vsts just use to much cpu to be able to run them on top of synths and design/mixing vsts.
If you really want to go completely midi, your best bet is to use more than 1 PC. You can get programs that serve as slave vst hosts and essentially just churn vsts computations. I imagine with 2 decent PCs you could get fairly close to master without bouncing to audio. Alternatively something like a Powercore or other DSP card could be an option though you'd be restricted in what vsts you could use with it and I doubt the performance boost would be a great as an extra workstation.
In theory though, theres nothing wrong with keeping it all in midi/vst format :) |
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| superddman |
thanks guys for the replies.
I was thinking about the over-the-lan option. I might be getting a new laptop soon so I could try it out. However, I would prefer keeping everything on one monitor screen if you know what i mean.
Those plugin cards are nice but a bit expensive so I would not consider this option at this time.
Man, why can't they make quantum computer already? Everyhing would be solved. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by superddman
Man, why can't they make quantum computer already? Everyhing would be solved. |
then they would make "quantum" VST plugins, so u wouldnt get anywhere anyways :thepirate |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by superddman
Man, why can't they make quantum computer already? Everyhing would be solved. |
They've made them already - the issues are cost-efficiency and marketability. :thepirate Time to market after invention is usually at least 10 years, at least with something that groundbreaking! |
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| h.vox |
| quote: | Originally posted by superddman
Is it possible to stay all midi without having to bounce/freeze or use other CPU/RAM-freeing techniques? I hate bouncing and I have not met one freeze that works well.
What do you guys do? Do you have some way to stay all midi or you have to constantly bounce?
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i stay in midi world all the time :)
if i run out of cpu power, i change the synth or ease up the arrangement :)
just yesterday i finished a track with 9 synths and battery, 2 send reverbs (one of them is roomverb v2), 1 delay, and master eq (voxengo harmonieq) and limiter (tls maximizer). cpu is at 90% (athlon64 2800+ xck754), but it works :)
maybe it is time to limit the number of synths and fx you use .... i know i should not use that much and the track would not suffer from killing one or two synths, but i just can't help myself.
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Is there any host that has a usable freeze? By usable I mean ability to move the frozen parts and also edit automation envelopes. |
that is not possible in any host, in any freeze. if you were able to do that, it would not be freeze, would it? each change would require another render, and if you need multiple undos, you would run out of disk space in no time. |
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| Thois |
it can't be too hard to create a good 'freeze' function to professional audio application programmers? C'mon, that would solve everything
I used fx freeze, but i wasnt enthousiastic about it, and i will try the freeze function of live soon (but i heard it isnt too great either) |
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| superddman |
ya, limiting the use of synths/fx would be one solution but I can't limit myself like that.
I think for now i will just bounce the tracks. I think this option is still the most reasonable. |
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| Thois |
| quote: | Originally posted by superddman
ya, limiting the use of synths/fx would be one solution but I can't limit myself like that.
I think for now i will just bounce the tracks. I think this option is still the most reasonable. |
when you guys bounce, do you save the presets of the used vst's/notes/fx so you can change the sound later, or will it be final? |
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| Beyer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Thois
when you guys bounce, do you save the presets of the used vst's/notes/fx so you can change the sound later, or will it be final? |
I usually have seperate project files for each element.. One for pads, one for leads, and for bass etc. That way I can go back and do changes later on. Then I start another project that will function as the main project file where I sequence everything. When it comes to automatin cutoff on leads, I used to filter in and out using fruity free filter - but that doesn't cut it anymore. So I draw the cutoff automation using the free filter, and when I know I got it right, I use the same automation sequence in the other project file where I have my lead synths, using the synths internal cutoff filter. |
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