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North Korea to give up nukes (pg. 2)
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| BadBadNeil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
You know, Bush actually filled the basement of the White House up with all of the oil he and Dick Cheney smuggled from Iraq in the coffins of "dead soldiers." It's crazy, I tell ya. :D |
I always wondered why they banned photographers from photographing those caskets! |
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| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lopitrance
Well I think you just confirmed everything I said, hahaha. And yes there are other countries supporting Iraq's insurgence.
Dude, the USA isnt the one even dealing with Iran mostly. It's Europe. So yes, the world will support it.
You are the one with flying from your ass I think, because Iran does have a nuclear program, maybe not one for weapons but they've confirmed their energy nuclear program is or has been started. Iran started it because the EU failed to meet a deadline for a counter offer of Economic bonuses to discourage Iran's nuclear development. |
first of i never disagreed but your point was incomplete. and you're right Europe is dealing with Iran more than Iraq. but apperantly Iran is a propaganda lie
The new president never mentioned a nuclear program when he was elected right trancer? idiot:rolleyes:
I saw the speach he was making on EuroNews this summer in EUROPE not America. And he said and i quote "we will not give up our nuclear program, and no form of European or American pressure will influence us".
But ofcourse Iran doesn't have a nuclear program and all the progress that is made in Iraq is also farse :haha: |
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| Lopitrance |
Ahahaha it's so funny when guys like trancer read/watch CNN once a week and then post stuff that just isn't right.
Oh well, I'm guilty of it sometimes too.
I do believe Germany, France, the UK, Canada and the US of A will be sticking their boots up Iran's ass if it doesn't comply. And I believe the UN will go along with it which means more countries will support this aswell. |
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| BadBadNeil |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
In response to your earlier concern (bout "rewarding" countries who give up nukes)...well if North korea didn't have a nuclear program then there would probably be no sanctions and would have recieved aid just like all the other poor countries do, so I guess it figures that if they give up their nuclear programs then they should get what they would have got before... |
Hah, I guess if you look at it that way it would have come full circle.
I just think they are unlike an African nation who are living in mud huts, are being hunted by rebels, and have little to sustain themselves because they are poor in every sense of the meaning.
This is North Korea, who built one of the largest militaries on the planet, researched nuclear weapons, have a large navy, air force, as well as a large stockpile of missiles. They border China, Japan, and South Korea three of the most advanced nations on the planet. Their poverty is their own doing. I think you run into another Saddam type situation where you give the country food and money and it ends up going to palaces, sports cars, billion dollar bank accounts, and to the military. Unless there is a verifiable way to make sure it goes to the people who need it I don't see a reason to give them aid. When they were getting aid throughout the Clinton administration the people were still dying at record numbers and poor and the country did nothing to help itself economically or agriculturally. |
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| NeoPhono |
Oops...not so fast. N. Korea adds a "condition" to the deal.
| quote: | North Korea demands reactor first
Monday, September 19, 2005; Posted: 11:19 p.m. EDT (03:19 GMT)
Source: The Associated Press
SEOUL, South Korea (CNN) -- North Korea said Tuesday it would begin dismantling its nuclear program only if the United States provides a light-water reactor for civilian power.
The demand could threaten a day-old agreement between North Korea and the five nations involved in nuclear disarmament talks.
"Without this physical guarantee of the (light-water reactor), our position is not to even dream of us giving up our nuclear deterrence," the official KCNA news agency quoted a spokesman for the North Korean Foreign Ministry as saying.
In Tokyo, the Kyodo News agency quoted Japanese Foreign Minister Nobutaka Machimura as saying North Korea's latest demand was unacceptable, The Associated Press reported.
But South Korea's reaction was more muted, with a key minister saying the demand was to be expected and that it would not jeopardize Monday's deal.
South Korean Unification Minister Chung Dong-young said on a radio program the North's response to the agreement could be handled in diplomatic talks before a further round of negotiations, Reuters reports.
North Korea's comments came a day after Pyongyang agreed to give up its entire nuclear program, including weapons -- a landmark agreement that was announced in a joint statement from six-party nuclear arms talks in Beijing.
The joint statement said North Korea had "committed to abandoning all nuclear weapons and existing nuclear programs and returning at an early date" to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and to abide by International Atomic Energy Agency safeguards.
The statement also said that North Korea stated that it has the the right to "peaceful uses of nuclear energy" and that the provision of a nuclear light-water reactor would be discussed at "an appropriate time." (Full statement)
According to the KCNA report, that time is now. "It has yet to be seen how the U.S. will realize its promise, but if the U.S. continues to demand the giving up of our nuclear weapons prior to providing the (reactor), then nothing changes between the nuclear relationship between the U.S. and North Korea," the North Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman said.
Speaking to reporters at the United Nations Monday, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the light-water reactor issue was to be discussed "down the road" -- not immediately.
"If you read the accompanying statements of several of the participants, you will see that there is a clarity about the need for North Korea to dismantle, get back into the (non-proliferation treaty), get IAEA safeguards and then discuss a light-water reactor. So I think this issue is some time in the future."
She added, "When the North Koreans have dismantled their nuclear weapons and other nuclear programs verifiably and are indeed nuclear-free, when they are back in the (treaty), when they have gotten into IAEA safeguards, I suppose we can discuss anything."
Earlier Monday, President Bush called North Korea's decision to abandon its nuclear program "a positive step," but asked "will all parties adhere to the agreement?"
"Five nations have spoken and said it is not in the world's interests that North Korea have a nuclear weapon," Bush said. "And now there's a way forward. And part of the way forward is for the North Koreans to understand that we're serious about this, and that we expect there to be a verifiable process."
Monday's announced agreement came on what was the seventh day of the fourth round of six-party talks. A fifth round of talks has been scheduled for November.
As part of the agreement, the United States, China, Japan, Russia and South Korea "stated their willingness" to provide energy assistance to North Korea, as well as promoting economic cooperation.
The World Food Program has said that North Korea is headed toward the worst humanitarian food crisis since the mid 1990s, when an estimated 1 million North Koreans died.
The World Food Program says 6.5 million North Koreans desperately need food aid. (U.N. to end food aid to N. Korea)
North Korea ordered U.N. nuclear inspectors out of the country nearly three years ago, and it has since said it has a nuclear weapon and continued to pursue more of the destructive weapons.
The United States, as well as the four other nations involved in the talks, has said the Korean peninsula must not have nuclear weapons.
CNN's Stan Grant and Dana Bash contributed to this report. |
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| Yoepus |
Evolution of negotiations:
Clinton (Madeline): N. Korea "promises" not to pursue nuclear weapons in exchange for oil, food, and nuclear technology (dee dee deee!)
Bush: N. Korea "promises" not to give up nuclear weapons in exchange for oil, food, and (now according to Neophono's update) nuclear technology.
Wow, what a difference 8 years makes.
Great to see the old USA can learn from its mistakes:rolleyes:
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| NeoPhono |
The plot continues to thicken. This is like a soap opera with nukes.
| quote: | U.S., Russia reject N Korea demand
UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and her Russian counterpart have rejected a North Korean statement that Pyongyang would begin dismantling its nuclear program only if the United States provided a light-water reactor for civilian power.
Pyongyang's official news agency earlier in the day printed the demand from a spokesman for the North Korean Foreign Ministry -- comments that threatened to unravel an agreement reached in Beijing on Monday among North Korea, its neighbors and the United States.
"We will stick to the text of the Beijing statement and I believe that we can make progress if everybody sticks to what was actually agreed to," Rice told reporters at the United Nations Tuesday.
"The text of the agreement says that we'll discuss a light-water reactor at an appropriate time. There were several statements afterwards that make clear what that sequence is."
She said those steps included: North Korea abandoning all nuclear weapons and existing nuclear programs, returning to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (NPT) and abiding by International Atomic Energy Agency safeguards.
Only then could the issue of light-water reactors be discussed, Rice said.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, whose country took part in the six-party talks that led to the agreement, said, "The text was very carefully agreed upon and it was the subject of very difficult compromises, but it clearly sets forth the consistency of the steps which have to be taken so that we might talk about cooperation in the development of nuclear energy in North Korea."
He added, "The most important thing now is to see to it that this agreement be carried out in practice, and this involves a great deal of work ahead and we hope that it will begin soon."
Rice met with Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing Tuesday in New York. According to U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, "Both agreed that the agreement signed in Beijing by the six parties was the binding text for parties, including on the question of light-water reactors."
In the North Korean news agency report, a spokesman for the North Korean Foreign Ministry was quoted as saying, "Without this physical guarantee of the (light-water reactor), our position is not to even dream of us giving up our nuclear deterrence."
"It has yet to be seen how the U.S. will realize its promise, but if the U.S. continues to demand the giving up of our nuclear weapons prior to providing the (reactor), then nothing changes between the nuclear relationship between the U.S. and North Korea."
In Tokyo, the Kyodo news agency quoted Japanese Foreign Minister Nobutaka Machimura as saying North Korea's latest demand was unacceptable, The Associated Press reported.
But South Korea's reaction was more muted, with a key minister saying the demand was to be expected and that it would not jeopardize Monday's deal.
South Korean Unification Minister Chung Dong-young said on a radio program the North's response to the agreement could be handled in diplomatic talks before a further round of negotiations, Reuters reports.
Those comments came a day after North Korea agreed to give up its entire nuclear program, including weapons -- a landmark agreement that was announced in a joint statement from six-party nuclear arms talks in Beijing.
The joint statement said North Korea had "committed to abandoning all nuclear weapons and existing nuclear programs" and had agreed to return to the NPT and to abide by safeguards established by the IAEA, the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog.
The statement also said that North Korea stated that it has the right to "peaceful uses of nuclear energy." (Full statement)
The agreement came on what was the seventh day of the fourth round of six-party talks. A fifth round of talks has been scheduled for November.
As part of the agreement, the United States, China, Japan, Russia and South Korea "stated their willingness" to provide energy assistance to North Korea, as well as to promote economic cooperation.
The World Food Program has said that North Korea is headed toward the worst humanitarian food crisis since the mid 1990s, when an estimated 1 million North Koreans died. It said 6.5 million North Koreans desperately need food aid. (U.N. to end food aid to N. Korea)
North Korea ordered U.N. nuclear inspectors out of the country nearly three years ago, and it has since said it has a nuclear weapon and continues to pursue producing more.
The United States, along with the four other nations involved in the talks, has said the Korean peninsula must not have nuclear weapons. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
you probably are one of those people that thought Iraq invasion is going to be a piece of cake right? |
Talking about facts coming out of one's ass, who said that it was going to be a piece of cake? :conf:
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Sorry for going off track in this thread...
As far as N.Korea goes; I'm not going to hold my breath when it comes to them.
Tomorrow an ant might fart and they'll be launching test nukes again... :rolleyes: |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
The plot continues to thicken. This is like a soap opera with nukes. |
C'mon you knew the breakdown in talks was inedidable ... Ine - ine - inedidable ... Inedible!!! |
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| Fir3start3r |
It appears the schizophrenic N.Korean government didn't even wait for a full moon cycle...
| quote: |
N. Korea accuses U.S. of plotting nuclear attack
Inflammatory rhetoric casts doubt on Pyongyang’s commitment to accord
The Associated Press
Updated: 4:49 p.m. ET Sept. 21, 2005
SEOUL, South Korea - In a second day of bluster after its disarmament accord, North Korea accused the United States on Wednesday of planning a nuclear attack and warned it could retaliate.
North Korea “is fully ready to decisively control a pre-emptive nuclear attack with a strong retaliatory blow,” the communist nation’s Rodong Sinmun newspaper said in an English-language commentary carried by the state Korean Central News Agency.
At six-nation talks in Beijing on Monday, North Korea promised to give up its nuclear weapons program in return for economic aid and security assurances.
Since then, however, the North’s rhetoric has underscored its unpredictability and cast doubt on its commitment to the accord hammered out with China, Japan, Russia, South Korea and the United States after four rounds of contentious negotiations stretching over two years.
North Korea said Tuesday it would not dismantle its atomic arms program unless Washington agreed to supply light-water nuclear reactors for generating electricity — a condition the U.S. government has already rejected.
No breakdown in talks expected
Despite the tough statements, none of the North’s negotiating partners said they expected a breakdown in the disarmament talks, which are scheduled to resume in November when the parties meet in the Chinese capital to begin the hard work of implementing the agreement.
Washington has repeatedly denied North Korean allegations of a planned attack, most recently in the joint statement at the talks in Beijing, where the U.S. delegation “affirmed that it has no nuclear weapons on the Korean Peninsula and has no intention to attack or invade (North Korea) with nuclear or conventional weapons.”
Pyongyang and Washington also pledged to respect each other’s sovereignty and to take steps to normalize relations.
The North demanded at the outset of the Beijing talks last week that it be given a light-water nuclear reactor — a type less easily diverted for weapons use — in exchange for disarming.
U.S. digs in its heels
U.S. officials opposed the idea, maintaining North Korea could not be trusted with any type of nuclear program in light of its efforts to obtain atomic weapons.
The disarmament agreement sidestepped the issue, with participants saying they would discuss it “at an appropriate time.”
North Korea’s negotiating partners made clear the reactor could only be discussed after Pyongyang carries out the pledge it made Monday to rejoin the global Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and accepts inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Separately, a U.S.-led international energy consortium plans to meet Monday to discuss its suspended project to build two power-generating nuclear reactors in the North, said South Korean official Ryu Jin-young.
The reactors were meant as a reward to the North for agreeing with the United States in 1994 to freeze — and ultimately dismantle — its nuclear program. The $4.6 billion project was suspended in 2003 when U.S. officials said North Korea revealed it was still working on atomic weapons.
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Talking about facts coming out of one's ass, who said that it was going to be a piece of cake? :conf: |
hmmm didnt Bush declare "mission accomplished "after 4 days of being in Iraq? :o :o |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lopitrance
Ahahaha it's so funny when guys like trancer read/watch CNN once a week and then post stuff that just isn't right. |
yup you got me alright.CNN is all I watch after all they are always right about everything. :rolleyes:
| quote: | | I do believe Germany, France, the UK, Canada and the US of A will be sticking their boots up Iran's ass if it doesn't comply. And I believe the UN will go along with it which means more countries will support this aswell. |
Good luck getting China and Russia on their side.;) |
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