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RFID chip & BigBrother (pg. 3)
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| shaolin_Z |
| ...which was the basis for the barcode. |
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| MrSquirrel |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
...which was the basis for the barcode. |
Creating, as you call it, "the basis for" does not equal equzting the actual concept of the bar code for the nazis.
Regardless of what IBM did create for the Germans, you are throwing imbellishments out to further your argument.
Yes, I am nitpicking. But using an evolutionary link between two technologies to say a technology was expressly created for an entity decades before it actually was invented is irresponsible.
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Ooooo, I feel so much better about RFIDs now. IBM is my friend, they couldn't possibly be disingenuos. I'm sure they're looking after my interests... :rolleyes:
BTW, are you guys aware of the fact that IBM invented the bar code that was used in Nazi concentration camps for purposes of making slave labour and systematic killing easier and more efficient? |
Yes, and Honda builds thousands of cars a day that are used by drunk drivers that kill thousands of innocent woman and children EVERY YEAR.
They MUST be the devil! :rolleyes:
Honestly shaolin, just because a company invents something that gets misconstrued and twisted by sick individuals doesn't mean it's the inventors/manufacturer's fault.
Let's not 'skip' over the responsibilities of those actually pulling the trigger just to make an off-based point.
[edit]@ MrSquirrel: I just read your comments now and it's seems we're of the same opinion :p |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrSquirrel
Creating, as you call it, "the basis for" does not equal equzting the actual concept of the bar code for the nazis.
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Yes, you're right. I made a slight leap there. It still doesn't detract from my point though. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Yes, and Honda builds thousands of cars a day that are used by drunk drivers that kill thousands of innocent woman and children EVERY YEAR.
They MUST be the devil! :rolleyes:
Honestly shaolin, just because a company invents something that gets misconstrued and twisted by sick individuals doesn't mean it's the inventors/manufacturer's fault.
Let's not 'skip' over the responsibilities of those actually pulling the trigger just to make an off-based point.
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IBM approached the Nazi regime in order to business from a "solution" to their "problem" of information managment & efficiency. IBM was well aware of what it was doing. Your pathetic anology holds no water. |
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| Lilith |
They did the same in South Africa to support the apartheid infrastructure of documenting everyone according to racial profiling so they could in turn work out where you where to live, what schools you where allowed to go to and if you where allowed to vote.
IBM will sell fairly much anything to anyone for whatever they want to do unless the US government steps in and tells them not to do it. They're as pragmatic as any other multinational really, probably a worse history than most though for selling stuff to people for all the wrong reasons.
Though of course, the $19,000,000,000 per annum US arms industry probably has a better record of actually killing people. Shortly followed by the $10,000,000,000 per annum Russian and French arms industries. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
IBM approached the Nazi regime in order to business from a "solution" to their "problem" of information managment & efficiency. IBM was well aware of what it was doing. Your pathetic anology holds no water. |
One thing the author of course won't bring to light too much; the IBM subsidiary in Germany, once under the control of the Reich, was no longer under control of the IBM head office and was therefore working under their own volition with no upward guidance other than the Nazis.
This point I'll admit, is one of contention (even today) as it can't be proven either way.
If anything, IBM's lesson is probably one of morality depending on whether or not the American based HQ knew what their German subsidiarity was doing.
But did IBM "abet" the Holocaust? If so, at what point?
Again, we're jumping the trigger man here.
Remember we're dealing with a Nazi regime that lied to EVERYONE (Chamberlain anyone?) to get what they wanted in a time of war.
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I have to concede one point for you Shaolin as I tripped across this while doing some more research:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/internati...,675727,00.html
Which basically states that the link between IBM's NY office and Germany's is no longer a fuzzy question mark; there was communication between the two.
The only remaining question now is if 'IBM's New York executives knew the ultimate use to which their machines were being put.' |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
One thing the author of course won't bring to light too much; the IBM subsidiary in Germany, once under the control of the Reich, was no longer under control of the IBM head office and was therefore working under their own volition with no upward guidance other than the Nazis.
This point I'll admit, is one of contention (even today) as it can't be proven either way.
If anything, IBM's lesson is probably one of morality depending on whether or not the American based HQ knew what their German subsidiarity was doing.
But did IBM "abet" the Holocaust? If so, at what point?
Again, we're jumping the trigger man here.
Remember we're dealing with a Nazi regime that lied to EVERYONE (Chamberlain anyone?) to get what they wanted in a time of war.
[EDIT]
I have to concede one point for you Shaolin as I tripped across this while doing some more research:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/internati...,675727,00.html
Which basically states that the link between IBM's NY office and Germany's is no longer a fuzzy question mark; there was communication between the two.
The only remaining question now is if 'IBM's New York executives knew the ultimate use to which their machines were being put.' |
The power of denial. :o |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
The power of denial. :o |
Denial has nothing to do with it on my part; that's the case as it stands in court to this day. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Denial has nothing to do with it on my part; that's the case as it stands in court to this day. |
Forgive me for not being a brainwashed sheep with sooo much faith in the system and power structure. :o |
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| venomX |
| I'll add that just from reasoning having a self-powered RFID chip of some sort is not that complicated or impossible. With the new developments going on in wireless technologies, and taking into account that you could produce electricity from the human body in many ways, with a couple of years of research you could very well have a self-powered potent RFID (for lack of better term) system with a WAY bigger range. |
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