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| Tony Morello |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
I think I will have to disagree with you on that. I have seen trance played in clubs with 500 capacity and it's rocked... or it used to atleast.
I suppose I can't really speak for the US but that was the case in the UK.
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i've played to a room with less than 100 people in it, had every single person on the dancefloor with some good energetic trance and everyone had a great night
it all depends on how you use it and when you use it |
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| trancecadet |
99-02 was the full on epic trance years. they are long gone. Its all tech/prog house/trance house these days :(
Ive got loads of old classics here. In fact today I picked up the Signum remix of Lost Tribe - Gamemaster (isnt this one fairly hard to find?), Bealeric Bill - Destinations Sunshine and Chicane - Offshore.. Ive had em on mp3 for years but always wanted em on vinyl. The old classics will never be forgotten. |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tony Morello
i've played to a room with less than 100 people in it, had every single person on the dancefloor with some good energetic trance and everyone had a great night
it all depends on how you use it and when you use it |
It was the same over here at one stage. So I know exactly where you are coming from. :)
Cheers
Nem |
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| FirstBorn |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
It was the same over here at one stage. So I know exactly where you are coming from. :)
Cheers
Nem |
Looking at your profile, 'over here' is Brighton, UK. I can sympathise completely - I travel to Brighton regularly and can barely find any trance at all in the record shops there. :( |
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| Stu Cox |
I don't think it's too bad... yeah a lot of people are moving away from it into tech house, electro etc but so what? That's only happened because loads of people have started making some absolutley awesome electro, not necessarily because trance has gone sour. The arrangements and sounds being used in a lot of trance is still as varied as it's ever been, particularly with all the tech trance around at the moment.
Look at hard house/hard trance though - there's a genre which has sufferred greatly from loads of new producers suddenly flooding the scene... something which should give it a new lease of life, but with every one of them copying the same one or two producers (quite often not to the same standard, using the same sequencer, VSTs and general production arrangements simply 'because X does it') you just end up with loads of tunes trying to sound the same as each other (and it doesn't help that some of the main producers being copied tend to have particularly 'standard' production sounds anyway!)... added to that the fact that you now have just the same 5 or 6 producers engineering just about everything that comes out, what it starts to lack is the variation in textures in the track. Obviously you can't expect every track to have a really original lead notation, structure etc but you can make it stand out by using different sounds (in both the perc and the synths) etc... which you're not going to get with only a handful of engineers in the whole scene, because they'll just keep doing what they've always been doing. Half the stuff that comes out now just sounds really simple and flat to me when it used to be a lot more interesting. That's more of a dying genre, and yet Tidy are filling just about every event they put on.
Trance hasn't had this problem and is still, in my opinion, offering loads of originality, so yeah it's a bit less popular than it was 5 years ago, but with 12000 people filling the Godskitchen tent at Global Gathering (with a good 50000 or so at the event in total) and however many people at Dance Valley, Cream @ Amnesia in Ibiza being rammed week in, week out for the whole of the summer and just about any event PVD or Tiesto plays selling out, trance definately isn't dead yet.
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FirstBorn
Looking at your profile, 'over here' is Brighton, UK. I can sympathise completely - I travel to Brighton regularly and can barely find any trance at all in the record shops there. :( |
Getting trance hasn't really been a problem for me. And besides there are shops in Brighton that have sections on it. It just doesn't seem to be going off the same way. Most of my gigs these days are further a field and perhaps it's just the travel that's getting to me a bit lately.
Maybe it's just me but these days nothing seems to stand out from the rest. There don't seem to be that many tunes that you instantly recognise as being full of energy and exceptional in anything other than quality of production.
I guess we need to sit down and write some he he.
Cheers
Nem |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stu Cox
Look at hard house/hard trance though - there's a genre which has sufferred greatly from loads of new producers suddenly flooding the scene... something which should give it a new lease of life, but with every one of them copying the same one or two producers (quite often not to the same standard, using the same sequencer, VSTs and general production arrangements simply 'because X does it') you just end up with loads of tunes trying to sound the same as each other (and it doesn't help that some of the main producers being copied tend to have particularly 'standard' production sounds anyway!)... added to that the fact that you now have just the same 5 or 6 producers engineering just about everything that comes out, what it starts to lack is the variation in textures in the track. Obviously you can't expect every track to have a really original lead notation, structure etc but you can make it stand out by using different sounds (in both the perc and the synths) etc... which you're not going to get with only a handful of engineers in the whole scene, because they'll just keep doing what they've always been doing. Half the stuff that comes out now just sounds really simple and flat to me when it used to be a lot more interesting. That's more of a dying genre, and yet Tidy are filling just about every event they put on.
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You have probably hit the nail on the head there.
Cheers
Nem |
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| FirstBorn |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
Getting trance hasn't really been a problem for me. And besides there are shops in Brighton that have sections on it. |
Really? I've never had any luck. Any you can recommend? |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by FirstBorn
Looking at your profile, 'over here' is Brighton, UK. I can sympathise completely - I travel to Brighton regularly and can barely find any trance at all in the record shops there. :( |
I haven't been very successful the last few times I've been to record shops, which is why I just buy everything online now. It's just the way things change.
As it is with the huge catalogues of Juno, Chemical, Massive etc to choose from without leaving your home, being able to listen through 5 tunes in a minute instead of 5 tunes in 20 mins in a record store and it being cheaper, it's just so much more convenient, so more and more people are tending to do that... resulting in a drop in record store sales so they start stocking less.
But when record stores start doing digital sales from the shops themselves (i.e. you turn up with an iPod or a flash memory stick, plug it in and copy across the tunes you buy, with every tune in the shop available to you) I think record shopping could get more popular again... if this happens! Which it should :p cos that'd be cool. |
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| trancecadet |
| I get alot of my trance off chemical records. Postage is well cheap and they often have some excellent deals on. I live in Devon and can find trance in at least 3 records shops. One of those being a HMV. I also know of a shop here that sell alot of older trance extrememly cheap like 10 for a £5.. secondhand obviously but ive picked up some old classics which il prob never play out but i wanna keep them if I ever do an oldskool set in the future :) |
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| A.J. |
Check out stuff by these producers: ;)
Alex M.O.R.P.H. (a.k.a Arc In The Sky)
John "00" Fleming
Haak
Oliver Prime
Digital Blonde
Steve Birch
Miika Kuisma
M.I.K.E.
Rank 1
Sam Sharp / Sander Van Doorn
Marco V
There is still good trance around, but you have to look a bit harder! :p |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FirstBorn
Really? I've never had any luck. Any you can recommend? |
It's more a case of knowing what you want before you go in and they will order it for you.
BPM just oposite the town hall is probably the best place for trance. They do stock a load but often wont necessarily know some of the finer points.
The guy that runs it (Ciaran McCarthy who plays at the Turnmills from time to time and a Honey Club resident) is more of a prog DJ so want always stock tons of trance but as I said he will order it for you. Based on this though, if you are not a Brighton resident it may not be worth you doing this as you can probably get them quicker of the net.
They do get a lot of interesting promos but usually only single copies and oddly enough they have a habit of ending up in my record bag before anyone really knows that they have even been in the shop, but that's what mates are for and probably one of the more anoying things if you are starting out as a DJ. (Sorry) :(
Give us a shout if you are in the vicinity and we can check it out.
Cheers
Nem |
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