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mixing at the beginning of a bar
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| xstalkrx |
| Ok so I have found that if I start my cued record at the same time as the live record comes to an end of a bar, then the mix will sound the best. This way, as you start to hear both tracks, they both start new bars at the same time. Is there a name for this technique I have stumbled upon or is this just the very basics of mixing? |
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| Jeremy H |
| quote: | Originally posted by xstalkrx
Ok so I have found that if I start my cued record at the same time as the live record comes to an end of a bar, then the mix will sound the best. This way, as you start to hear both tracks, they both start new bars at the same time. Is there a name for this technique I have stumbled upon or is this just the very basics of mixing? |
If I understood you right, you have begun to match phrases. Everybody does that! :) But congrats on your improvements ;) |
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| xstalkrx |
heh thanks. im just kind of putting two records on and seeing what I can do. now then, here is one problem i run into sometimes.
Usually I will bring the cued track in nice and slow and gradual. However, sometimes there are points where I would like to bring the cued track in hard and sudden. But I am unsure of how to do this. I want to be sure to match the phrases. But in order to match the phrases AND bring the track in hard and loud I would have to hold the cued track and then let it spin right as the live track ends a bar. Sometimes I let go perfectly, sometimes it is a little off. Am I missing an easy way to solve this problem or do I just have to hope that when I let go that the beats will be in line? |
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| Jeremy H |
| quote: | Originally posted by xstalkrx
heh thanks. im just kind of putting two records on and seeing what I can do. now then, here is one problem i run into sometimes.
Usually I will bring the cued track in nice and slow and gradual. However, sometimes there are points where I would like to bring the cued track in hard and sudden. But I am unsure of how to do this. I want to be sure to match the phrases. But in order to match the phrases AND bring the track in hard and loud I would have to hold the cued track and then let it spin right as the live track ends a bar. Sometimes I let go perfectly, sometimes it is a little off. Am I missing an easy way to solve this problem or do I just have to hope that when I let go that the beats will be in line? |
U can slam it in the way you just described.. but you can also cue the song a bit before the part where you want to slam it in, so you have time to allign the beats and eventually ajusting the EQs :) Just play around! :)
Argh.. I hope you understand! |
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| xstalkrx |
| well i thought about letting the cued track go a few beats before the bar. But, that would be extremely difficult. I would have to predict how many beats until the bar started while paying attention to the live track to make sure that both bars occured at the same time. |
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| wee_rooney |
dependin on the tracks, you can put the non live track in 1 phrase early, then when it reaches the point you want to slam it in you can. it means that when you put it in it will just have started phrase 2. it cn work very nicely if the track has a bit of an intro to it, because the intro will stop at the end of phrase one and the beat will kick in (just as youve "slammed" it in ;) )
if it doesnt have an intro and it doesnt sound right being 1 phrase ahead of the other then just practice puttin it in like you described! if you have a good table with almost an instant start, then that might help. but youre probably better jut using you hands! |
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| Zild |
| Drop the track on the one as you slam the fader up. It's a fairly common method to mix hip-hop. You just have to practice your drops. |
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| moondog |
most tracks have a 128 beat intro, so cue it 64 or 32 beats before you want to slam it in, then do it a the end of a bar.
hope that helps |
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| dinoXpress |
| quote: | Originally posted by moondog
most tracks have a 128 beat intro, so cue it 64 or 32 beats before you want to slam it in, then do it a the end of a bar.
hope that helps |
good when ur using cdjs 2 know that 128 beats is about a minute for house and around 55 seconds in trance ish...
obvious to must but can be helpful for someone new planning a mix. |
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| Abhay |
| quote: | Originally posted by xstalkrx
heh thanks. im just kind of putting two records on and seeing what I can do. now then, here is one problem i run into sometimes.
Usually I will bring the cued track in nice and slow and gradual. However, sometimes there are points where I would like to bring the cued track in hard and sudden. But I am unsure of how to do this. I want to be sure to match the phrases. But in order to match the phrases AND bring the track in hard and loud I would have to hold the cued track and then let it spin right as the live track ends a bar. Sometimes I let go perfectly, sometimes it is a little off. Am I missing an easy way to solve this problem or do I just have to hope that when I let go that the beats will be in line? |
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I do this everynow and then
Hmm... depends what ur using...
You can use the original method of starting from the very beginning of the cued track. If ur using CDjs, or some deck with a Timer (if they exist???? i dunno much about TTs, i just use them, lol).....you should be able to know what times u wanna match up on the tracks.
Simple mathematics from then on. just make sure u beatmatch perfectly, the most common mistake that happens to me is that I sometimes am a beat behind or a beat ahead.
If ur using a 3 channel mixer, and 3 inputs ^ this method is very effective...
that's what i do anyway, hope it helped n00blet. |
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