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Did Bush also commit perjury in the Plame case?
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| MisterOpus1 |
This one piece is being thrown around the "internets" like a rag doll, and if there's some truth to it (and that is a big "if"), Bush might be in a wee bit of trouble:
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An angry President Bush rebuked chief political guru Karl Rove two years ago for his role in the Valerie Plame affair, sources told the Daily News.
"He made his displeasure known to Karl," a presidential counselor told The News. "He made his life miserable about this."
Bush has nevertheless remained doggedly loyal to Rove, who friends and even political adversaries acknowledge is the architect of the President's rise from baseball owner to leader of the free world.
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/st...7p-304312c.html |
So again, IF that's true, then this wouldn't exactly be so true:
| quote: | THE PRESIDENT: Listen, I know of nobody -- I don't know of anybody in my administration who leaked classified information. If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rele...20030930-9.html |
Nor would this be true:
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"If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is," Bush told reporters at an impromptu news conference during a fund-raising stop in Chicago, Illinois. "If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of.
"I welcome the investigation. I am absolutely confident the Justice Department will do a good job.
"I want to know the truth," the president continued. "Leaks of classified information are bad things."
He added that he did not know of "anybody in my administration who leaked classified information."
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/wilson.cia/ |
So that's a fairly big lie to our country, which granted isn't as big of a lie as a BLOWJOB or anything, right? But hey, no laws being broken.
Except he said this to Fitzgerald when he testified:
| quote: | White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove personally assured President Bush in the early fall of 2003 that he had not disclosed to anyone in the press that Valerie Plame, the wife of an administration critic, was a CIA employee, according to legal sources with firsthand knowledge of the accounts that both Rove and Bush independently provided to federal prosecutors . . .
In his own interview with prosecutors on June 24, 2004, Bush testified that Rove assured him he had not disclosed Plame as a CIA employee and had said nothing to the press to discredit Wilson, according to sources familiar with the president's interview.
http://nationaljournal.com/about/nj...005/1007nj3.htm |
Lotsa big "IFS" there, so take it with a grain of salt. Nevertheless, that's ing interesting.
Oh, in other news, a reported second Cheney aide is singing like a canary now too:
And finally, this snip makes it seem like there will be no report on the matter, giving more credence to indictments on the way:
| quote: | The special counsel in the C.I.A. leak case has told associates he has no plans to issue a final report about the results of the investigation, heightening the expectation that he intends to bring indictments, lawyers in the case and law enforcement officials said yesterday.
The prosecutor, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, is not expected to take any action in the case this week, government officials said. A spokesman for Mr. Fitzgerald, Randall Samborn, declined to comment.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/19/p...artner=homepage |
Another ing week, man. This is killin' me..... |
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| josh4 |
Seems like a longshot to me. You'll need much harder evidence than 'they are like this'. *crosses fingers*
You're welcome to dream Opus, but lets not get sloppy.
NEXT! |
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| Yoepus |
| Opus when I posted that large list of news sites on the internet I didn't really expect you to read them all and follow every single link :D |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Opus when I posted that large list of news sites on the internet I didn't really expect you to read them all and follow every single link :D |
Oh.
Now you tell me. Sorry........ |
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| MisterOpus1 |
Damn, this is a pretty scathing article on Cheney by a former Powell top aide:
| quote: | Cheney 'cabal' hijacked foreign policy
By Edward Alden in Washington
Published: October 20 2005 00:00 | Last updated: October 20 2005 00:19
Vice-President Dick Cheney and a handful of others had hijacked the government's foreign policy apparatus, deciding in secret to carry out policies that had left the US weaker and more isolated in the world, the top aide to former Secretary of State Colin Powell claimed on Wednesday.
In a scathing attack on the record of President George W. Bush, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, chief of staff to Mr Powell until last January, said: “What I saw was a cabal between the vice-president of the United States, Richard Cheney, and the secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld, on critical issues that made decisions that the bureaucracy did not know were being made.
“Now it is paying the consequences of making those decisions in secret, but far more telling to me is America is paying the consequences.”
Mr Wilkerson said such secret decision-making was responsible for mistakes such as the long refusal to engage with North Korea or to back European efforts on Iran.
It also resulted in bitter battles in the administration among those excluded from the decisions.
“If you're not prepared to stop the feuding elements in the bureaucracy as they carry out your decisions, you are courting disaster. And I would say that we have courted disaster in Iraq, in North Korea, in Iran.”
The comments, made at the New America Foundation, a Washington think-tank, were the harshest attack on the administration by a former senior official since criticisms by Richard Clarke, former White House terrorism czar, and Paul O'Neill, former Treasury secretary, early last year.
Mr Wilkerson said his decision to go public had led to a personal falling out with Mr Powell, whom he served for 16 years at the Pentagon and the State Department.
“He's not happy with my speaking out because, and I admire this in him, he is the world's most loyal soldier."
Among his other charges:
* The detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere was “a concrete example” of the decision-making problem, with the president and other top officials in effect giving the green light to soldiers to abuse detainees. “You don't have this kind of pervasive attitude out there unless you've condoned it.”
* Condoleezza Rice, the former national security adviser and now secretary of state, was “part of the problem”. Instead of ensuring that Mr Bush received the best possible advice, “she would side with the president to build her intimacy with the president”.
* The military, particularly the army and marine corps, is overstretched and demoralised. Officers, Mr Wilkerson claimed, “start voting with their feet, as they did in Vietnam. . . and all of a sudden your military begins to unravel”.
Mr Wilkerson said former president George H.W. Bush “one of the finest presidents we have ever had” understood how to make foreign policy work. In contrast, he said, his son was “not versed in international relations and not too much interested in them either”.
“There's a vast difference between the way George H.W. Bush dealt with major challenges, some of the greatest challenges at the end of the 20th century, and effected positive results in my view, and the way we conduct diplomacy today.”
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/afdb7b0c-4...000e2511c8.html |
Nice timing on the article considering there's reports of Cheney's involvement in the Plame case as well as rumors of him resigning. Jesus this is fun to watch! |
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| Spacey Orange |
| perjury? no, because he gave unsworn testimony. lied to the public? probably. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
perjury? no, because he gave unsworn testimony. lied to the public? probably. |
From what I gather, however, isn't lying during an unsworn testimony still obstruction of justice? That's still a big no no, esp. when the President ain't supposed to commit any crimes. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
From what I gather, however, isn't lying during an unsworn testimony still obstruction of justice? |
i believe so. one can only dream that the pros would do such a thing tho.
the cynical side of me believes that teh AG and the Admin would quash it tho, even tho the pros is independent. i think Bush is in the dark about many things; the guy doesn't read the paper, doesn't read polls, and believes that the US and Iraq are doing well. go figure. what i'm suggesting is that his henchmen do the dirty work and he just looks away. |
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