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On the spot drug test via sweat and/or saliva (pg. 4)
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| Halycon |
| quote: | Originally posted by djole071
and how does extasy impair your driving? |
some people hullucenate |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
You might as well just move CoZo to the police station...just have the party there. |
haha that's hilarious! |
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| Mag1k |
| anyone know when ?? |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
that doesn't mean it will stand up in court |
Are you aware of what happens to someone if they are arrested for DUI? Conviction or not - one's life goes to the ter pretty quick as a result (insurance, suspension, lawyer fees, etc).
And further - are you telling me you'd rather be convicted of posession (than DUI)? |
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| Jayx1 |
yet another tool for big brother to use to control our lives.
Scary! Not only can they use it at RIDE but they can also stop u on the sidewalk and use the test. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mag1k
anyone know when ?? |
Legislation authorizing the use of this device to determine impairment will likely be read into law shortly after cannabis is decriminalized. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Not only can they use it at RIDE but they can also stop u on the sidewalk and use the test. |
I urge everybody to step back from the driving issue for a second and re-read what Jay wrote above.
Today - a cop can stop you on the sidewalk, via his "judgement" determine you as intoxicated and arrest you.
Tomorrow - when this device is available, cop can stop you on the sidewalk, via his "judgement" determine you as intoxicated and arrest you and while arrested they can swab your ARM and determine that you are in (internal) posession of a narcotic. YIKES.
As GI Joe says: "And knowing is half the battle."
Stay safe folks. Be well. |
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| nusty |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
Ahhh...that's kinda scary...but at the same time, I don't condone driving well on any sort of drugs anyway!! Well...pot yes...but I refuse to drive if I'm on anything else!! Nor do I like my friends to. |
To condone driving while baked sounds pretty irresponsible to me.
If you're not opperating at your full potential then stay out of a car. They kill people. I'm as guilty as the next person here for having previously driven back from parties tired as hell but at least I have the balls to recognize the danger I've put myself and others in, I'm not kidding anyone that "hey at least I'm not drunk". I was dumb as hell for doing it. If you're stoned you're not 100%, regardless of what any pot head says contrary. If I got pulled over, fine, I deserved it fair and square.
We all do stupid things, but thinking that stupid things are fine, well that pretty much defines what it means to be intellectually sub par.
Just think about who YOU would want on the road beside you late at night. I highly doubt it would be someone who just got out of an afterhours club or smoked at his/hers buddies house.
Being at the funeral for a good friends mom this summer kinda 'sobers' up your view on this issue pretty fast and makes you realize that the guy who killed her thought he was fine to drive that night too. No one should have to say good by to their parents for such an avoidable event. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by nusty
To condone driving while baked sounds pretty irresponsible to me.
If you're not opperating at your full potential then stay out of a car. They kill people. I'm as guilty as the next person here for having previously driven back from parties tired as hell but at least I have the balls to recognize the danger I've put myself and others in, I'm not kidding anyone that "hey at least I'm not drunk". I was dumb as hell for doing it. If you're stoned you're not 100%, regardless of what any pot head says contrary. If I got pulled over, fine, I deserved it fair and square.
We all do stupid things, but thinking that stupid things are fine, well that pretty much defines what it means to be intellectually sub par.
Just think about who YOU would want on the road beside you late at night. I highly doubt it would be someone who just got out of an afterhours club or smoked at his/hers buddies house.
Being at the funeral for a good friends mom this summer kinda 'sobers' up your view on this issue pretty fast and makes you realize that the guy who killed her thought he was fine to drive that night too. No one should have to say good by to their parents for such an avoidable event. |
I'm sorry to hear about ur friend's mom...that's definatly not a good thing to hear.
I just want you to know though, that even though I say driving on pot is okay sometimes...it's not something I do often. In fact, I can't even remember the last time I did it. I used to a lot more when I was younger, but now I don't really. The way I see it, there are two types of drivers when they're high. Ones that just have no idea what's going on...and others, who just can't seem to break any traffic laws. I have always been the latter. I know that's no excuse, and I'm not trying to make it sound like this means I should be allowed to drive while I'm high...I'm just stating that.
I was once pulled over while I was baked...and I agree...I don't think the cop did anything wrong, and I wasn't mad. I got what I deserved.
But I am quite careful when it comes to driving under the influence. I leave my cell phone on all night just for emergencies b/c I don't care how late it is or where you are, if my friends need me to pick them up b/c they can't drive, I'd rather that then them get in the car. I get pretty upset when people drive while high or drunk...it REALLY bothers me...as it should. I guess our opinions differ a little bit when it comes to being stoned though...I respect your opinion, and will take what you say in to account. However, like I said, I don't even remember the last time I drove high...I guess it was just more of a high school thing. |
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| Stingray |
| quote: | Originally posted by djole071
and how does extasy impair your driving? |
It makes me in' speed!
I got a speeding ticket coming home from A&B in July :whip: |
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| Euphorica |
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| quote: | to further explain my point...and this is ALL merely my opinion
convicting for DUI for alcohol is "simple" in that there are established blood alcohol limits and the police can test accordingly, whether via breathalyser or blood tests.
while it is true that DUI does NOT just cover alcohol, but other forms of impairment, such as drug induced impairment, successfully convicting DUI for drugs is much more difficult in that it becomes a subjective charge.
The cop CLAIMS that you are impaired...and can certainly charge you...but the onus is on them to prove that you actually were on drugs AND that you were impaired.
so this new testing may solve the problem of proving that your are on something...but does it concretely establish that you were *impaired*? are there going to be established limits of what constitues an impairment level for *each and every* drug out there?
if not, I'd take it to court in a heartbeat and my money says you'd have the charge thrown out.
"yes your honour, I had ecstasy in my system. I think that makes me guilty of possession of MDMA, but I strongly disagree that I was impaired".
see the problem? get ready for a *massive* court backlog as any intelligent person (who wasnt' completely ed out of their mind) will fight these charges.
i.e. possession does not equal impairment...and this test merely indicates possession. So unless there is legislation stating that ANY level of ANY of these drugs constitutes impairment...then we're back to where we are now in that DUI is difficult to prove for non-alcohol related cases.
it WILL get people off the road though...as cops have discretion to issue 24 hour suspension, impound the car, etc.
deterrent tool...but conviction tool? I can't see this working on it's own.
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i was thinking.... i think ANY level would be considered impairment |
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| MarkT |
^^^ that could very well be...but is that "the law"?
I'm not saying this won't work...that people won't be convicted...just that there seems to be a potentially significant amount of subjectivity here...and subjectivity generally means problems when the case goes to court. |
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