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| NYCTrancefan |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
And one other point to consider -
Doesn't every Bush nominee deserve an up or down vote in the Senate? Why didn't she get one, dear Conservatives?
And let's remember something - if Bush wanted a wingnut confirmed, he would have nominated a wingnut in the first place, not his special #1 fan instead. If any Bush apologist feels that it's a good thing for him to NOW nominate a wingnut, I say let him. The Dems. are more than happy to go to the mat over a Janice Brown. Wingnuts like Brown have records that speak much more louder to the public, and will be much more easier to dissect on where they stand. It will be more than worth the fight. The uberconservative groups that pull the strings of this Administration will not be happy with a semi-moderate pick like Gonzales. They've made their mark in the sand, and they will not budge on who they want on the court.
It's a beautiful implosion to watch. Bush is literally damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. It's tough to have been re-elected primarily by a bunch of religious wingnuts who know they made the difference in the election. This payback is the ultimate bitch for Bush. I'm actually feelin' a little sorry for the little fella.
Damnit, why can't Fitzgerald throw anything down today? Why does he have to be so damn thorough? That's the only thing that would have been the ultimate icing on the cake! |
I remembered all those terms from John Roberts hearing and leading up to it, now they seem to have been forgotten about wet count, up down vote, litmus test, deserves to be given the chance to speak. Don't worry about Fitzgerald its coming don't want to use up all the action in one week, I love it spread out only makes it more sordid and reveals this current administration's true self. |
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| josh4 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renegade
Well she was a weird choice to begin with, but having said that I'm quite suprised that she was withdrawn. It's not like the Bush administration to admit fault and take a backwards step - or to not stubbornly see their original plan through until the end, regardless of how bad an idea it may have been initially - but based on her |
Yes. I think they realized an overwhelming vote of 'NO' would have been more embarrassing than her withdrawal. |
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| HardTranceProd |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
I was kinda hoping she would have been appointed.
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I was kinda hoping too, but for a different reason. What reason, you ask? Because anybody else Bush might appoint will be more staunchly conservative :( |
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| MisterOpus1 |
See if you can pick out the irony:
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*RNC Accused Reid of Bowing to Liberal Groups. Last month, the Republican National Committee put out a press release with the headline "Puppet Politics: Reid `Got The Message' From Liberal Third Parties To Oppose Judge Roberts." [RNC Press Release, 9/21/05]
*NRSC Wrote of Need to "Fight off Attacks" from Democrats and Liberal Interest Groups. In a fundraising email last month, NRSC Chair Sen. Elizabeth Dole wrote, "I ask that you contribute to the NRSC as we continue to fight off attacks from the Democrats and their radical allies, like MoveOn.org and Alliance for Justice, as they attempt to put a strangle hold...on this confirmation process." [Dole NRSC Email, 9/15/05]
*Conservatives Accused Senate Democrats and Issue Groups Of Trying to Hold Roberts' Nomination "Hostage." Last month, Gary Bauer wrote, "with the passing of Chief Justice William Rehnquist, left-wing special interest groups are demanding Senate Democrats block Roberts' confirmation until President Bush names his second nominee to the Court. Since Roberts is now replacing Rehnquist, liberal groups are once again demanding that the president maintain the existing balance on the Court by nominating another `centrist' like O'Connor, and they want to hold Roberts' nomination as a hostage!" [Bauer End-of-Day Email, 9/8/05]
*Conservatives Accused "Far Left" of Smearing Roberts. Last month, the American Conservative Union told its members, "John Roberts is an outstanding choice. We cannot allow the Far Left to smear and besmirch his good name, all in an attempt to push the direction of the Supreme Court to the Left." [ACU Action Alert, 9/11/05]
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/27/125554/03 |
Nothing to see here. Move along..... |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
See if you can pick out the irony:
Nothing to see here. Move along..... |
Wouldn't it make more sense for a lefty to say "Nothing to see here. Moveon...?";) :p |
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| Q5echo |
some of you guys are so single minded abiut so many issues on this board (Iraq, religion, terror, conspiracy, ect.), at least Opus offered two reasons.
"she wasn't a judge." so what? such an uninsightful and shortsided excuse given history.
"she was a boob." she wasn't liked from the get go. yet she reached the height of her position everywhere attempted. wait! some sit downs with two-faced backstabbing politicians didn't go well by their account? damn! do you think that she would have to deal with that level of gamesmanship once on the bench or just interpret the constitution and level fair judgement?
"i don't believe for one second it was the Executive priviledge excuse" well excuse me, what other nominee would face such a volatile and drawn out fight between branches of power? Gonzalez maybe. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
some of you guys are so single minded abiut so many issues on this board (Iraq, religion, terror, conspiracy, ect.), at least Opus offered two reasons.
"she wasn't a judge." so what? such an uninsightful and shortsided excuse given history. |
Well you know I made that statement a few weeks back with caution because some 40% of SC nominees had no experience in being a judge. But in addition to that lack of experience, she's hasn't been an advocate before the Supreme Court, a U.S. Senator, a respected academic, or a past president of the United States - these are the basic qualifications that nearly all candidates have brought to the SC as a nominee. She possessed none of them. The only thing she possessed was a big ing brown nose up Bush's ass with love letters in her hand.
| quote: | | "she was a boob." she wasn't liked from the get go. yet she reached the height of her position everywhere attempted. wait! some sit downs with two-faced backstabbing politicians didn't go well by their account? damn! do you think that she would have to deal with that level of gamesmanship once on the bench or just interpret the constitution and level fair judgement? |
The latter, of course, but she obviously didn't have the intelligence of the man that preceeded her to fend off these folks WITHIN her own party. Let's keep that in mind here. It's not like the Dems. had to really even lift a finger on this one to get opposition going - it was almost ENTIRELY within your own party. Even Harry Reid came out the day she was nominated and praised her, so I think you know how well that was gonna be for her and your party.
And let's be clear on something - she reached the "height of her position everywhere" because of almost entirely of the actions of 1 man -
the same man who's asscheeks surround her nasal passages.
| quote: | | "i don't believe for one second it was the Executive priviledge excuse" well excuse me, what other nominee would face such a volatile and drawn out fight between branches of power? Gonzalez maybe. |
Again, let's keep in mind where the vast majority of the fight was coming from - the far right Conservatives. Want more evidence? Well remember that post I had about her statement on abortion in '93?:
http://www.nationalreview.com/whela...00510261633.asp
Well aside of what the National Review had to say about that matter, here's the Party of Dobson ringleader speaking himself:
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I believe the president has made a wise decision in accepting Harriet Miers' withdrawal as a nominee to the Supreme Court. In recent days I have grown increasingly concerned about her conservative credentials, and I was dismayed to learn this week about her speech in 1993, in which she sounded pro-abortion themes, and expressed so much praise for left-wing feminist leaders.
. . . Based on what we now know about Miss Miers, it appears that we would not have been able to support her candidacy.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/006859.php |
This was a 180 degree from Dobson's original feelings on the matter. They were too afraid that she might not interpret the Constitution their way, so they threw her to the wolves. People WITHIN the Conservative base threw her to the wolves. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | | Originally posted by MisterOpus1 People WITHIN the Conservative base threw her to the wolves. |
You people are experts at that! It must be fun getting to see a good sideshow from the other side for a change!
Random thought: "Possesses" has too many esses...:S
This country is going to ultimately destroy itself from within.:( |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| ive been hearing about this for days. bush should admit when he's defeated, and changed his mind days ago. when not only the opposing party, but your own party doesnt back u up for a decision such as this one, maybe u should listen to them. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Well you know I made that statement a few weeks back with caution because some 40% of SC nominees had no experience in being a judge. But in addition to that lack of experience, she's hasn't been an advocate before the Supreme Court, a U.S. Senator, a respected academic, or a past president of the United States - these are the basic qualifications that nearly all candidates have brought to the SC as a nominee. She possessed none of them. The only thing she possessed was a big ing brown nose up Bush's ass with love letters in her hand. |
what? nevermind
| quote: | And let's be clear on something - she reached the "height of her position everywhere" because of almost entirely of the actions of 1 man -
the same man who's asscheeks surround her nasal passages. |
she's accomplished everything within the last 10 years. is that what you're saying? Bush swayed the Texas BAR while he was losing his ass in the Texas oil fields in 1986? did he get her Editor of the law review at SMU too? dude.
let me be clear. i'm disappointed on several different levels about this. levels that you might actually agree with. but i'm at work and i don't have time right now to get into it. |
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| Spacey Orange |
from a yahoo news article adrressing Meirs' nomination.
| quote: | | ...There were fresh problems at midweek, including the disclosure of a speech Miers delivered in 1993 that touched on the issues of abortion and voluntary school prayer. "The underlying theme in most of these cases is the insistence of more self-determination. And the more I think about these issues, the more self-determination makes the most sense," she said, remarks that sparked fresh criticism from conservative groups. |
LOL.
apparently, conservatives believe that self-determination is bad. so conservatives believe that the government should supercede self-determination? wait a minute, i thought conservatives wanted less government. en unprincipled hypocrites. the very fact that they have a sliding scale about principles really makes them liberal. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
she's accomplished everything within the last 10 years. is that what you're saying? Bush swayed the Texas BAR while he was losing his ass in the Texas oil fields in 1986? did he get her Editor of the law review at SMU too? dude. |
I knew I was about to be rake over the coals on that generalization. I guess I deserved it.
No, of course there is much in her record that she has accomplished entirely on her own. I'll just stick to the 90's when they became quite close buddies.
And it's not that I don't think she's an intelligent woman - obviously she wouldn't be where she's at if she wasn't. But an intelligent woman a Supreme Court Justice doesn't make. Clearly she needed much more than just being Bush's personal lawyer to make the grade.
| quote: | | let me be clear. i'm disappointed on several different levels about this. levels that you might actually agree with. but i'm at work and i don't have time right now to get into it. |
Well when you have time, let me hear them. It's certainly not everyday when we can agree to something.
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
You people are experts at that! It must be fun getting to see a good sideshow from the other side for a change! |
So painfully true. |
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