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Rob Papen Blue 1.1: any good?
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| armanivespucci |
| I've tried Albino 2 and I'm not impressed. Generally, it seemed weak, despite some decent pad and bass capabilities. In any event, have any of you tried it? Any improvements on Albino? |
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| IDarkISwordI |
Hey. Well its a completely different type of synth. Albino is a subtractive synth and Blue is the new FM synth on the block. Compared to FM7, I'm not all that impressed. The FX on it arent quite as good in my opinion. Either way, its still 6 operator FM, which has always been based in the digital realm. In other words, its hard to not make it sound just like every other FM synth out there. Try the demo out and test it yourself but I think you would be happier with FM7.
Cheers,
Zac |
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| DigiNut |
Albino 2 is a great synth, don't know what you were trying to do with it...
Blue is a nice synth as well - it's got a brighter sound than Albino in general, and a whole lot more complexity - so if you're disappointed with Albino because you aren't that happy with the presets, don't expect to be blown away by Blue without seriously learning how to use it.
FM7 is probably a more powerful synth soundwise, although the interface on Blue is a lot better designed. |
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| IDarkISwordI |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
FM7 is probably a more powerful synth soundwise, although the interface on Blue is a lot better designed. |
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I should have mentioned this as well. Blue is layed out much more intuitively than FM7 but, at the cost of sound, I would be willing to take the extra step and read through the manual for FM7 ;). One more pklus for Blue is that it is a lot cheaper. Just some things to think about. |
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| GreenLight |
| quote: | Originally posted by armanivespucci
I've tried Albino 2 and I'm not impressed. |
You gotta be kidding me. You have to turn the knobs and stuff to get the sounds you want ! LMFAO ... albino not good, thats like saying bill gates isnt president of microsoft. Albino is a great little soft synth ... oh yea, I forgot to mention, every soft synth isnt going to sound good if your not making impressive music :toothless |
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| Storyteller |
| Actually I don't like the albino either. z3ta is more my thing + various free synths which all rock :) |
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| yes, as long as you know how to tweak the sounds to fit your mix it won't be a problem soundwise. there is nothing wrong with either albino nor blue. they are both good sounding synths. |
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| armanivespucci |
| quote: | Originally posted by GreenLight
You gotta be kidding me. You have to turn the knobs and stuff to get the sounds you want ! LMFAO ... albino not good, thats like saying bill gates isnt president of microsoft. Albino is a great little soft synth ... oh yea, I forgot to mention, every soft synth isnt going to sound good if your not making impressive music :toothless |
Well, I'm not saying it's a piece of crap. I really only use z3ta, FM7, and Absynth. And, yeah, I realize that you have to turn knobs- my point was that turning knobs in other VSTs produces more powerful sounds. ; D |
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| djlogik |
| I have to somewhat agree. I cannot seem to get out powerful sounds from Albino. If I want a powerful sound I normally go to z3ta+ or I set up like 3 instances of Albino or 2 Albinos and a Vanguard or something. I find the Albino to do well with more arp sounds or basslines. |
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| Derivative |
albino isnt really a 'turn some rotaries, get a phat sound out of it' synth. alot of the flexibility is in the mod matrix and programmable arp, if you can be bothered to learn the ins and outs of them. all the envelopes are linear sounding by default (similar in this respect to access' virus range of synths) unless changed in the mod matrix which does sound kind of flat and boring.
but its not like vanguard or anything. you have to program it differently. you cant for example just reach for the filter envelope to add a wub effect to the attack phase of a sound. you have to set up the extent of the wub effect in the mod matrix first, then use the envelope. the upside to this flexibility is that you can more convincingly recreate or build sounds that are not really possible on vanguard, which has fixed curves on its envelopes. on albino, you can get classic minimoogish basses as well as OB basses - both of which have very different filter attack envelope curves. vanguard cant really make either without the physical 'shape' of the sound being wrong. vanguard however, sounds sweeter straight out of the box and based on the presets and its alot easier to use. so those are pluses for reFX.
in this respect, programming albino is alot like programming a virus, except theres about 1/50th of the modulation options and recursive modulation is off the cards. but i guess thats where the price difference actually makes a difference. this is why im a bit gutted about buying it - my virus b has pretty much taken over everything i would normally have used albino for. the arp however is still probably one of the best arpeggiators on any synth. its completely programmable and makes a complete mockery of the virus arp. |
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| djlogik |
| Yeah I know the vanguard doesn't really compare to Albino due to it's amazing mod matrix. I mean I've messed around with the mod matrix and tried some sweet things with it, but the only thing I can seem to find a reason for Albino is doing some sort of arp sound or a thumpin' bassline. It seems to me that there are just so many other VST's out there that can give an amazing sawlead or just a sound with power behind it in general. Personally I'm finding myself moving away from the supersaw sound and trying to develop my own type of sound. I'm still trying to find what I'd like. Although I've messed with Camelspace and Albino together and I absolutely loved it! Now that's an unbeatable combo if you want to make a really uplifting breakdown in a song :D |
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| Axolotyl |
I gotta agree also. Albino has just never cut it for me. I can get some interesting complex sounds out of it, mainly useful for FX, and evolving pads. However I find the sounds lack depth and really dont come through in a mix all that well without a fair ammount of after processing. And if you need to do that to a synth at the inital stages to get a good sound, I generally find that its not worth it. Compared to z3ta which has the same level of programmability, it just doesnt stand up as well. Plus filters on a synth are a big thing for me, and I find the Albino ones are just lacking.
I admit, I have learned a lot about modular synthesis though since I first used it though. I might dig it out again and see if I can actually get some usable sounds from it. A lot of people swear that its actually very good :conf: |
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