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| DigiNut |
Well, I suppose it all depends on one's goals. If you're particularly talented, then a few years of solid practice should be enough to be able to hit the right notes and stay in tune most of the time for pieces of moderate difficulty. It takes many more years of practice AND good instruction in order to reach the level of technical and musical mastery needed to develop a unique style and be able to improvise or even perform in a "live" environment.
This is coming from someone who was a very quick study and also who worked extremely hard and received instruction from some very good teachers. I have nothing but respect for the self-taught; I also know that you need an objective critic who is better and more experienced than you are in order to truly understand how long the road ahead is and which shortcuts you can take to get to your goal faster. When your critics are your contemporaries, you often don't get the whole story on what can be improved, how much it can be improved, and how to go about improving it.
But again, let's not forget the most important thing here, which is that this is about personal enjoyment and personal growth, and that learning an art or a skill is a great thing to be doing no matter what pace you move at. |
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| IDarkISwordI |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
I also know that you need an objective critic who is better and more experienced than you are in order to truly understand how long the road ahead is and which shortcuts you can take to get to your goal faster. When your critics are your contemporaries, you often don't get the whole story on what can be improved, how much it can be improved, and how to go about improving it.
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Its true that you need an objective critic to progress at a decent pace. Though, it has taken me a lot longer to progress because often times I have to be that critic. Instead of having someone to tell me how to improve a particular element, I've had to figure it out on my own for the most part, basicly inventing my own style along the way. Personally, I think people that go about it this way end up with a much more unique style than people that are taught how to do something. Think of it this way, if some one shows you how to do it a partiocular way, will you ever try to figure out a different way to do it? Most likely the answer is no, simply because thats the way you were taught how to do it and thats supposedly the 'fastest and best' way to do it. Alternatively, if you figure it out for yourself, then youll build off of that knowledge and try to expand on it instead of 'sticking to the rules.' I cant say that I havent had a great deal of help along the way. My dad has taught me so much about synthesis and I cant possible express how helpful that is. He also encourages that I learn on my own. I've also had some good critics along the way as well but no one to really sit down with me and tell me how to do something in particular. Again, its all about how determined you are to do something. If you are on your own, eventually youll get somewhere. It may take a lot longer than you hope but its that determination that keeps me going. Without that, I would have given up long ago.
Cheers,
Zac |
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| superddman |
| may I ask why do you want to learn piano? Don't forget this is trance production forum, not classical music forum. |
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| IDarkISwordI |
Because people like to play on these:
Lol :rolleyes: |
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| DigiNut |
^ lol
Independent learning is definitely where real creativity comes from. The tricky bit is learning how to learn, if that makes sense. ;) I couldn't just pick up a book on martial arts and get my black belt in a few years - not even if I worked on it for 12 hours a day. The purpose of professional instruction isn't to teach you how to play like someone else, it's to impart useful techniques and enable you to more easily apply the outside information you absorb. Having a good teacher is obviously a key element - a lousy teacher can make things a lot worse.
Practice makes permanent, not necessarily perfect.
And to superddman: Understanding how to play at least one instrument is pretty fundamental in making tracks sound interesting and "human". The tracks I hear from people with no musical experience who picked up Fruityloops because they want to emulate their heroes Paul van Dyk and DJ Tiesto tend (on average, not in all cases) to be a lot more bland, predictable and repetitive than the tracks I hear from experienced musicians and composers. This is what people refer to as an "organic" vs. a "computerized" sound. |
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| armanivespucci |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
The tracks I hear from people with no musical experience who picked up Fruityloops because they want to emulate their heroes Paul van Dyk and DJ Tiesto tend (on average, not in all cases) to be a lot more bland, predictable and repetitive than the tracks I hear from experienced musicians and composers. This is what people refer to as an "organic" vs. a "computerized" sound. |
+1. |
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| x_moe |
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now thats what im talking about |
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| Project 7 |
| not hard to learn basic playing, doesnt help that much, unless you want to play live... music theory and abit of piano would be good |
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| dj jasonF |
| its pretty easy to play simple stuff. i mean with some practice youll get there... but when it comes to the difficuil (and fun) part.... this is when things get tough.. im trying to learn how to play for 4-5 months now and i thought i was begining to be ok... so i downloaded a midi from the most beautiful piano piece (Chopin and the title is ballad or something) ive ever heard and i tried to play it. it took me 3 hours to play the intro. i wonder how ppl play these things. i cant even whisle that fast. id say get a teacher if you plan on learning the good stuff. |
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| nils |
i've been playing for about 6 years now. i think i'm getting the hang of it :p but seriously, i know chords and can improvise (or freestyle if you may) fairly good. but i'm on reading sheetmusic and i'm not as fast-thought on what notes to use as i would like :( but practice makes perfect. so just keep on keeping on
| quote: | Originally posted by superddman
may I ask why do you want to learn piano? Don't forget this is trance production forum, not classical music forum. |
yeah, why would you? in fact, why would anyone now that there's computers that can make trance music w/o requiring any musical knowledge whatsoever? that is the most ignorant comment i've read. |
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| x_moe |
| im going to take those online lessons, i think it'll be good enough for me :tongue3 my keyboard just came in to my door yesterday, m-audio radium ,, its bigger than i thought it will be |
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| superddman |
| quote: | Originally posted by nils
yeah, why would you? in fact, why would anyone now that there's computers that can make trance music w/o requiring any musical knowledge whatsoever? that is the most ignorant comment i've read. |
Alot of great trance producers don't know how to play piano. I would rather concentrate on practicing production and compsing from listening rather then wasting time on piano lessons.
Learning piano will probably help a bit but i would put it at the bottom of the list. |
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