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Calling The Techno Minority. (pg. 12)
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by 808303909
But we weren't talking specifically of Stefan Robbers, were we?
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Last time I checked he was 1/2 of Acid Junkies, so I think I can use him as an example in this regard. But if you want to be pedantic, then by all means..
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And Djax wasn't one of the most renowned techno labels, it was one of the most renowned acid labels. In fact, although it certainly does comprise a good deal of techno, it is an epitome of an acid label.
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I'd just call Djax-Up a techno label, as it has released such a vast variety of records soundwise, not just acid oriented ones or "straight up tech". But hey, perhaps these all fall under this genre called nothing but "acid" which I am unaware of. |
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by 808303909
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oh, and btw, my set isn't an indication of my knowledge base. it's an indication of which tracks i liked most at that point in time and which tracks flowed together.
you have nothing to amaze me with as you have 'planned' in the past, because frankly, without even knowing how much you've listened to, i can guarantee, i have heard more. a lot more. |
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| basd |
Good god, is this thread going anywhere?
It's getting a bit boring lately, every techno thread there is either ends up being spammed by people that think Preach is the best techno has to offer, or ends up in some pointless discussion about subsubsubgenres under the influence of Ory lookalikes.
Another attempt at making this somewhat more interesting:
www.danzolectro.de
Some quality livesets to be found there, ranging from minimal, deep to more melodic techno / tech-house, whatever you people want to call it. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by 808303909
He's indeed half and what's your point? His other aliases, some of which are almost utterly bereft of acid, has nothing to do with the sound of Acid Junkies. But perhaps you haven't heard his other stuff, after all.
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I haven't heard particularly much of his solo stuff, apart from an improvisation and the odd techno/loop track here and there. However, considering Stefan Robbers' presence in Acid Junkies, I think it is even more evidence towards considering the project techno when there is already Acid Junkies-material out that can be associated with the genre.
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Apropos, have you listened to the sample yet? That would be something that falls directly under the 'acid' genre, nothing else. You learn something new every day. |
Yeah, I would have learned something if you actually bothered to explain WHY that sample is classified under the genre "acid". |
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| aerial |
| quote: | Originally posted by basd
Good god, is this thread going anywhere?
It's getting a bit boring lately, every techno thread there is either ends up being spammed by people that think Preach is the best techno has to offer, or ends up in some pointless discussion about subsubsubgenres under the influence of Ory lookalikes.
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Lookalike? ;) |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by 808303909
I can't explain it because I'm not a producer and am hardly acquainted with the proper terms that would suffice to elucidate this. Nor did I ever make it a point to try and explain why acid is a genre per se. People that are actually in the know may agree with me, I daresay. But does that sample not sound exclusively like acid to you? The whole track is like that, and clearly is of the acid genre, nothing more, nothing less. |
So you're claiming that something falls under a genre called "acid" and that Djax-Up is "the epitome of an acid label", but you can't explain what the genre "acid" is and back it up? That kindof defaces your entire argument then doesn't it? |
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by 808303909
a lot more of cheesy, commercial acid, certainly. You've heard more, you lummox? Then how come I've never espied you contributing anything to ANY thread regarding acid, tech, etc. But no! You've definitely heard more! Your posts are unbased, your knowledge of acid is , and quite frankly, I think you're , and you're digging it in deeper and deeper and dee... |
using my posting habits as an indication of my knowledge base inst a wise idea either.
would you have me prove it by pulling out a list of acidtechno i have less regard for?
cause believe me, i could fill a ing encyclopedia. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by 808303909
I can't explain it in technical terms, I mean. But to be terse, the 'acid' genre is primarily driven by the Roland transistor bass. Solid proof? Didn't I just provide you a sample for s sake. Can you possibly avow that it sounds anything remotely close to acid-tech, acid house, or hardcore acid!?? I've proved something to you, but all you do is exacerbate the argument and commission me to provide more proof. that, I think the sample is adequate. If you don't know that there are tracks that are exclusively 'acid,' without any techno or house, then let me reiterate that you ought to hear more acid stuffs. |
No, all you've done is given me a sample and said "that's "acid"." And then I ask "hmm ok, but what about this sample is it that makes it "acid" and not acid house or acid techno?" Which is where you fail to bring any knowledge or evidence to back it up with, and instead decide to hammer over the head with "THAT'S "ACID" YOU IDIOT?! CAN'T YOU HEAR THAT?!?!?!?!". You're not gonna teach or impress anyone in that manner. ;) |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by 808303909
No, actually what I'm saying is that if you think that's acid house or acid techno, but not STRICTLY acid, then you're clearly an idiot. And I don't feel I should corroborate my statements any further. ;) |
Thanks for proving my point ;) Don't expect to win over or teach people with this kind of approach though. |
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| Estella |
| quote: | Originally posted by basd
Good god, is this thread going anywhere?
It's getting a bit boring lately, every techno thread there is either ends up being spammed by people that think Preach is the best techno has to offer, or ends up in some pointless discussion about subsubsubgenres under the influence of Ory lookalikes.
Another attempt at making this somewhat more interesting:
www.danzolectro.de
Some quality livesets to be found there, ranging from minimal, deep to more melodic techno / tech-house, whatever you people want to call it. |
Actually, this is the point I favor most. I get to read both viewpoints and notice that it doesn't resort to cheap shot name calling or end in burnt, crispy flames, but rather debate. Now all it needs is some examples of tracks and dates to further educate all of us ;) |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by 808303909
I'm not trying win over anybody. And all I did was prove my point, not yours. And if you weren't taught that acid may indeed be regarded as a genre on its own judging by that sample, then I can't do much else for you, and for this I apologize. |
Right, you proved your point and taught me by posting a sample and saying "this is the genre "acid"." and nothing more. Well done sir. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by 808303909
Thanks. What you have to ultimately realize is that I never said I'm going to endeavor to prove at length why something is what it is. I said there are tracks that are solely 'acid' and nothing more and I proceded to post you a sample of such an one. The fact that you made unbased assumptions that I should EXPLAIN why it's exclusively 'acid' due to your hearing impediments is impertinent to my whole argument, which I think I've summarized with the sample. |
In other words, all you're saying is "you're wrong and I'm right and since you can't see that I'm right, you're an idiot." That's some high class debating skills right there, well done sir. |
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