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My little rant (pg. 2)
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| VERTiG0 |
From that Somalia thing that EvilTree posted earlier...
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As I was reading, a cat ran by my tent. It reminded me of the kitten the Somali kids were torturing last week. They had a newborn kitten and were carrying it around roughly by the scruff of the neck. They had already poked one of its eyes out and were delighting in its screams of pain as they threw it into the thorn bushes. The children would fight over it, tearing at it as it mewed and screamed in pain and fear. |
If I was in this guy's position I would have went absolutely bat insane and shot all of those kids.
The thought of that happening fills me with mindbending rage.
Oh and Chris, I'm pretty desensitized, thanks to the internet. I can watch that most people would turn ghost-white or throw up over, all while eating a bowl of ing chili and smiling.
However when it comes to that cat thing, nothing, absolutely nothing, can possibly desensitize me toward such actions and that primal urge to destroy just wells up inside, .
...I sense I may have gone too far here |
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| [NFC]Wave |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
You can sorta distance yourself from that sort of stuff if you can convince yourself that it's just fiction and not real.
But documentaries like this, you know it's for real and it's real people getting shot and maimed. |
My Dad is a forensic scientist for the London Police force (yes, Mr. CSI of London). Back in grade 9 we had the traditional "Take Your Kids To Work Day" and I ended up with him at the police station. Throughout the whole day I kept asking him to "see the book". "The Book" I was referring to was a crime scene photo documentary to show people who came into the office on what exactly it is that forensic scientists do.
Finally midway through the day he gave in and sat me down to flip throuhgh the double murder-suicide via shotgun photo album.
Things seemed fine, blood, guts, dead bodies, etc. Didn't bother me in the slightest. My Dad was even disturbed seeing how it didn't effect me at all. Here's a kid who only two years earlier was devestated when his friend was killed in a car accident, looking at 3 human beings splattered against the wall in a white kitchen.
It wasn't until the autopsy photo's were shown later on in the album that things finally 'clicked' in my brain that these people, were real. The blood was real. The brain matter on the wall and floor was real. Seeing a person opened up on a table being examined was the single most shocking thing I've ever experienced in my life.
From what my Dad told me, I went as pale as a ghost and didn't even finish the book before I walked away to go do something else. I honestly don't remember that as he explained it was "most likely too shocking and my brain blocked it from my memory".
However, that isn't the problem. The problem is how long it actually took for someone like me, a normal person who has grown up in a normal home, with normal friends, etc, to realize that this was real and it could happen as a human being.
The desensitization that we are brought up with in life these days is insane and aweful. We as children grow up with movies and television depicting violence exagerated beyond belief so that even if we see something our brains register it as not being real.
All I'm saying is that in the future, even graphic and extremely real footage in documentaries won't have the effect that they should on society. For me personally, it takes quite a lot to disturb me anymore.
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Oh and Chris, I'm pretty desensitized, thanks to the internet. I can watch that most people would turn ghost-white or throw up over, all while eating a bowl of ing chili and smiling. |
Yep, also another example. You can watch video's of people being murdered, driven over by cars, accidents, etc. It's just wild. Like I said, think of the children of tommorow who can see that from day one. |
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| EvilTree |
^Interesting thoughts.
My biggest problem is that kids are being exposed to all sorts of violence and whatnot without being explained to them the meaning of all this. So when the bad guy gets shot, the kid don't know that bad guy is really human too or why throwing someone off a building is not cool at all.
I'm a bit iffy whether kids should watch extreme violence and other R rated stuff (then again, a lot of cartoons are just as violent as well), but without the understanding of what they see in media, it just annoys me that the kids don't get what it means. |
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| Mag1k |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
*mild anger mode*
I suggest you read the somalia journal at http://www.commando.org/somalia.php before you pass judgement on few bad apples that tarnished an entire regiment. |
I have read it. Im not passing judgement, the opposite. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mag1k
I have read it. Im not passing judgement, the opposite. |
On second reading I may have jumped the gun and for that I will apologize. However, you comment did seem to imply that entire CAR deserved to get disbanded, at least to my eyes. |
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| zokissima |
Welcome to the realities of the world. It's a f***ed up place. Things in Siera Leone have been hotly contested since much before the 90s, due to the diamond industry.
This is nothing new, and it's nothing new that the West is completely uninvolved, and what little involvement there is, is biased, skewed, usually under-reported, and that which we do see is propaganda BS. |
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| Tygon |
I've seen some clips from Africa that are floating around on the internet... probably very similar to what you watched. I'm like you... usually I can watch it and shrug it off, but there was something about them that stuck.
We're so sheltered from such things, most can go a lifetime without having to understand the cruelty of the world outisde our own doorstep.
It's absurd that any person, led alone a child, should ever have to experience such things... and we take our freedom for granted... |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by [NFC]Wave
My Dad is a forensic scientist for the London Police force (yes, Mr. CSI of London). Back in grade 9 we had the traditional "Take Your Kids To Work Day" and I ended up with him at the police station. Throughout the whole day I kept asking him to "see the book". "The Book" I was referring to was a crime scene photo documentary to show people who came into the office on what exactly it is that forensic scientists do.
Finally midway through the day he gave in and sat me down to flip throuhgh the double murder-suicide via shotgun photo album.
Things seemed fine, blood, guts, dead bodies, etc. Didn't bother me in the slightest. My Dad was even disturbed seeing how it didn't effect me at all. Here's a kid who only two years earlier was devestated when his friend was killed in a car accident, looking at 3 human beings splattered against the wall in a white kitchen.
It wasn't until the autopsy photo's were shown later on in the album that things finally 'clicked' in my brain that these people, were real. The blood was real. The brain matter on the wall and floor was real. Seeing a person opened up on a table being examined was the single most shocking thing I've ever experienced in my life.
From what my Dad told me, I went as pale as a ghost and didn't even finish the book before I walked away to go do something else. I honestly don't remember that as he explained it was "most likely too shocking and my brain blocked it from my memory".
However, that isn't the problem. The problem is how long it actually took for someone like me, a normal person who has grown up in a normal home, with normal friends, etc, to realize that this was real and it could happen as a human being.
The desensitization that we are brought up with in life these days is insane and aweful. We as children grow up with movies and television depicting violence exagerated beyond belief so that even if we see something our brains register it as not being real.
All I'm saying is that in the future, even graphic and extremely real footage in documentaries won't have the effect that they should on society. For me personally, it takes quite a lot to disturb me anymore.
Yep, also another example. You can watch video's of people being murdered, driven over by cars, accidents, etc. It's just wild. Like I said, think of the children of tommorow who can see that from day one. |
So true.
...and kutos to your dad for being able to do such a job.
Media (news and movies in particular) have always been trying to one up itself because they know people have become desensitized to graphic images.
The more sensational, the better right?
As you say [NFC]Wave when it comes to the real deal people just don't know what to do.
You can't just reach for the remote and turn it off.
It's in front of you and now life is forcing you to deal with it.
When that realization sinks in, I'd image a lot of people would crack.
In regards to Sierra Leone, it truly is tragic, hence the formation of such organizations as
WARCHILD.
One day, maybe not in my lifetime, I believe there will be a day when virtually all strife and hopelessness will be eliminated (it's impossible to believe it will be completely gone).
However, until that time, my faith in others to do the right thing will not waiver... |
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| [NFC]Wave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tygon
I've seen some clips from Africa that are floating around on the internet... probably very similar to what you watched. I'm like you... usually I can watch it and shrug it off, but there was something about them that stuck.
We're so sheltered from such things, most can go a lifetime without having to understand the cruelty of the world outisde our own doorstep.
It's absurd that any person, led alone a child, should ever have to experience such things... and we take our freedom for granted... |
Kevin Carter’s 1994 Pulitzer prize winning photo of a vulture waiting for a child to die, so that it will eat it epitomizes not only the hunger crises in Sudan but also in the whole of Africa. (Photo source: Pulitzer)
Kevin Carter, the South African photographer whose image of a starving Sudanese toddler stalked by a vulture won him a Pulitzer Prize this year, was found dead on Wednesday night, apparently a suicide, police said yesterday. He was 33. The police said Mr Carter's body and several letters to friends and family were discovered in his pick-up truck, parked in a Johannesburg suburb. An inquest showed that he had died of carbon monoxide poisoning.
Mr Carter started as a sports photographer in 1983 but soon moved to the front lines of South African political strife, recording images of repression, anti-apartheid protest and fratricidal violence. A few davs after winning his Pulitzer Prize in April, Mr Carter was nearby when one of his closest friends and professional companions, Ken Oosterbroek, was shot dead photographing a gun battle in Tokoza township.
Friends said Mr Carter was a man of tumultuous emotions which brought passion to his work but also drove him to extremes of elation and depression. Last year, saying he needed a break from South Africa's turmoil, he paid his own way to the southern Sudan to photograph a civil war and famine that he felt the world was overlooking.
His picture of an emaciated girl collapsing on the way to a feeding centre, as a plump vulture lurked in the background, was published first in The New York Times and The Mail & Guardian, a Johannesburg weekly. The reaction to the picture was so strong that The New York Times published an unusual editor's note on the fate of the girl. Mr Carter said she resumed her trek to the feeding centre. He chased away the vulture.
Afterwards, he told an interviewer, he sat under a tree for a long time, "smoking cigarettes and crying". His father, Mr Jimmy Carter laid last night: "Kevin always carried around the horror of the work he did." - The New York Times
Source: Sydney Morning Herald Saturday 30 July 1994 |
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| Dancing*Queen |
:( :(
wow a picture can say so much more then words ever could |
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| Piano4444 |
I was exactly in the middle of reading and when it was time to go to the next page, it went "page cannot be displayed" ever since.
Is there something wrong with the site?
http://www.commando.org/somalia.php
Wow, What a read so far I really want to finish it.
Some things really make you think |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Piano4444
I was exactly in the middle of reading and when it was time to go to the next page, it went "page cannot be displayed" ever since.
Is there something wrong with the site?
http://www.commando.org/somalia.php
Wow, What a read so far I really want to finish it.
Some things really make you think |
Unfortunately the site seems down right now. |
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