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Volume using Reason
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| iloop |
How: do you get volume in tracks using Reason withough making the final product muddy....
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I've been trying and am getting closer and closer, but I'm findinig it really hard to get a clear crisp sound out of my songs withought outputting my song at very low volumes in reason...
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then comes the problem of amplifying the sound... by doing this I find some frequencies loose their edge/distortion occurs/and various other eq'ing issues become apparent...
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does anyone else seem to have this problem? does anyone have any recomendations on using reason?
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I've tried exporting through rewire/FL and upping rewired volume in FL - but doesn't seem to do it withough a bit-o distortion. (any free vst's I could use for that?
Airbase apparently didn't have problems with this as most of his songs were voluminous and crisp, but I don't think he's around on the forums anymore to get his input.
I'd like to find a solution.... |
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| sharvax |
| Use a maximizer? :conf: |
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| mzvirbulis |
mate i know it's hard but you will get there. im proof, i have dramaticly improved although i have no really helpful advice!
someone might be able to give some help but its a bit hard. |
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| Low Profile |
| Compression is your friend :) |
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| IDarkISwordI |
| quote: | Originally posted by Low Profile
Compression is your friend :) |
+1.
Heres some generic compression settings I use on every song. Before you say something, I only use it while working on the track and its mostly just to keep the song from going into distortion and blowing up my speakers :P.
Threshold: -13.1 dB
Ratio: 3.4 dB
Gain: 3.8 dB
Attack: 87.5ms
Release: 407ms
Type: soft (called soft knee in most probably)
These settings certainly arent meant for mastering :). Definitely remix your song though. If you cant turn off compression without it going deep into the red, you have some serious mixing problems. Instead of just turning the volume knobs up all the time, try turning them down too ;). Best advice I can give you for remixing is something I lots of times do when I jsut cant get a clean mix. I turn all the instruments down to zereo, then slowly raise each one, no compression, keep raising them until you jsut start to go into the red, then you should be good for loudness through a compressor.
Cheers,
Zac |
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| Atlantis-AR |
Actually, I'm going to say that EQ is your friend, not compression or limiting. :p
While the latter can give you volume, they aren't necessarily gong to address frequency issues, why I highly suggest you spend at least a year using EQ's only rather than trying to use compression, or even incorporation the mastering stage into the mixing stage by compressing or limiting the mix output - you're only going to colour the output again, so how will you learn the art of good mixing?
Listen to the frequency content, especially when mixing two or more instruments together, and try to space them apart by reducing buildups and overlaps. This will often give you a few extra dB's of loudness, all while addressing frequency problems such as muddiness as well. Highpass highpass highpass.
Yes, as mzvirbulis said, it takes time, but I really recommend you focus on EQ rather than diving into the compression and limiting. Of course, not everyone is going to have the same preferences of where to start, but I really wish I had done more EQ'ing during the first years of my 'career'.
Of course, the previous posts all have their place too, mix compression controlling the levels and bringing the instruments in tighter, and limiting just giving you sheer loudness, but I really can't stress the importance of EQ enough. |
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| sooper |
I find that with Reason, it's very difficult to output a song at high volume without comprimising your sound.
If I want my levels perfect, EQ'd and compressed properly, I have to accept that the final product will be relatively quiet.
I then take it into a mastering program, t-racks, where i can raise the level without comprimising the sound. |
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| armanivespucci |
| You could always use Cubase. |
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| Atlantis-AR |
Since when does the maximum attainable volume have anything to do with software? You're still going to be bound to the same principles of digital audio.
I can see where Reason wouldn't be very good seeing as though its EQ'ing capabilities are e (haven't checked Reason 3.0 though, but I can imagine more of the same), but you really can't expect to get louder mixes just by using another piece of software. It's all in the mastering, and how you accomplish that, with about 80% of it coming from the mixdown. |
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| IDarkISwordI |
| quote: | Originally posted by armanivespucci
You could always use Cubase. |
+1
JK! :stongue: |
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| iloop |
| thanks for the comments guys, I really do eq everything as bestly as i can and i do use compression on every song I export, but i find that i have to turn down the mix so it doesn't lose some freq... i think i will try t-racks, and also see what the props say... thanks for your advice i will try everything because i really wanna get past this problem and focus on composition... |
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| Atlantis-AR |
| quote: | Originally posted by iloop
[...] but i find that i have to turn down the mix so it doesn't lose some freq... [...] |
I really don't understand what you mean by this. How does level have anything to do with frequency content? OK, once you get to extreme amounts of limiting or soft-clipping maybe, but what you're saying here essentially sounds like something Jp22 would say. ;)
Of course I don't mean to offend, but I'm just not following... |
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