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| Fearless One |
with my lack of knowlagde about music theory i've found it very useful lately with my harmonic mixing, but i got some questions, hopefully somebody will explain me some things ;)
-so... does, for example 12A will sound good with 12B, 1A with 1B and so on... or that's complety different tones? <- i don't know is it proper word :p
-does Dm mean D minor or major?
-and last but not least, what does flat-sth. or sharp-sth mean? is it the same F-sharp major and F major, i suppose not, but if somebody could explain me this in possible easy way (without using music slang, when it isn't necessary ;)) i would be very grateful...
thanks in advance :) |
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| est |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fearless One
with my lack of knowlagde about music theory i've found it very useful lately with my harmonic mixing, but i got some questions, hopefully somebody will explain me some things ;)
-so... does, for example 12A will sound good with 12B, 1A with 1B and so on... or that's complety different tones? <- i don't know is it proper word :p |
Whatever key you are in, the keys next to it on the circle on any direction, will match. Let's take E major as an example. Clockwise, we have the dominant B major - that's a nice match. Anti-clockwise, the subdominant A major - another nice match. Below on the inner circle, the relative minor D-flat. The relative minor is the minor key that will be the best fit with that major key.
Another example - a minor key this time (as most EDM is minor). G minor has the domininant D minor to the clockwise, subdominant C minor to the anti clockwise, and relative major Bflat on the outer. Any of those would be a good match.
| quote: | | -does Dm mean D minor or major? |
Dm = Dminor.
D = Dmajor.
| quote: | | -and last but not least, what does flat-sth. or sharp-sth mean? is it the same F-sharp major and F major, i suppose not, but if somebody could explain me this in possible easy way (without using music slang, when it isn't necessary ;)) i would be very grateful... |
Sharps and flats are just different note names. In theory, a sharp sign (#) raises a note by one semitone and a flat sign (b) lowers it. In terms of harmonic mixing, all you need to be aware of is that F and F# are different keys. Mixing any key with its sharpened key would be a clash as they keys are so close together (so, mixing from F - F# = clash).
Hope that's answered your questions...I don't use the easymix system as I know all this off by heart so just ask if you need more explanation or if ive used too much 'music slang':) |
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| alefort |
| quote: | Originally posted by est
Whatever key you are in, the keys next to it on the circle on any direction, will match. Let's take E major as an example. Clockwise, we have the dominant B major - that's a nice match. Anti-clockwise, the subdominant A major - another nice match. Below on the inner circle, the relative minor D-flat. The relative minor is the minor key that will be the best fit with that major key.
Another example - a minor key this time (as most EDM is minor). G minor has the domininant D minor to the clockwise, subdominant C minor to the anti clockwise, and relative major F on the outer. Any of those would be a good match.
Dm = Dminor.
D = Dmajor.
Sharps and flats are just different note names. In theory, a sharp sign (#) raises a note by one semitone and a flat sign (b) lowers it. In terms of harmonic mixing, all you need to be aware of is that F and F# are different keys. Mixing any key with its sharpened key would be a clash as they keys are so close together (so, mixing from F - F# = clash).
Hope that's answered your questions...I don't use the easymix system as I know all this off by heart so just ask if you need more explanation or if ive used too much 'music slang':) |
I must thank you. I have never truly ventured into Harmonic Theory, simply because I thought it daunting. But thanks to you, you ahve shed some light. I am definitely making this my next endeavour. Anyone have any books or manuals they recommend?
Many thanks! |
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| Dew50 |
| quote: | Originally posted by est
Whatever key you are in, the keys next to it on the circle on any direction, will match. Let's take E major as an example. Clockwise, we have the dominant B major - that's a nice match. Anti-clockwise, the subdominant A major - another nice match. Below on the inner circle, the relative minor D-flat. The relative minor is the minor key that will be the best fit with that major key.
Another example - a minor key this time (as most EDM is minor). G minor has the domininant D minor to the clockwise, subdominant C minor to the anti clockwise, and relative major Bflat on the outer. Any of those would be a good match.
Dm = Dminor.
D = Dmajor.
Sharps and flats are just different note names. In theory, a sharp sign (#) raises a note by one semitone and a flat sign (b) lowers it. In terms of harmonic mixing, all you need to be aware of is that F and F# are different keys. Mixing any key with its sharpened key would be a clash as they keys are so close together (so, mixing from F - F# = clash).
Hope that's answered your questions...I don't use the easymix system as I know all this off by heart so just ask if you need more explanation or if ive used too much 'music slang':) |
awesome post, thanks a lot :) |
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| Fearless One |
est, thank you very much!
now, it's much more clear... thanks once again! :) |
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| dark_Omens |
| quote: | Originally posted by alefort
Anyone have any books or manuals they recommend?
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Take piano lessons. They will help beyond belief in many ways. |
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| Fearless One |
i checked this thread earlier, indeed some interesting info there...
however, i got another question...
when i pitch up tracks, key may change, and it probably do... now, how many % make tune sound "one key higher"?
and which key is higher, for example 5A (Cm) or 6A (Gm)? |
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| est |
| quote: | Originally posted by dark_Omens
[quote]Take piano lessons. They will help beyond belief in many ways. |
Yes. That's how I learned, plus years of Bach harmony training.
| quote: | Originally posted by Fearless One
i checked this thread earlier, indeed some interesting info there...
however, i got another question...
when i pitch up tracks, key may change, and it probably do... now, how many % make tune sound "one key higher"? |
A 3% change is the amount that begins to make a difference (though I don't think this is enough to make a full key change). You're right to consider this, as if you have 2 tracks that are a perfect key match at normal pitch but then you pitch one up a lot to beatmatch it, it will begin to clash (keys that are closest together clash the worst). But tunes that clash at normal pitch (e.g. B and Bb) will sound better if you pitch up the Bb record enough, as it will get closer to the B.
| quote: | | and which key is higher, for example 5A (Cm) or 6A (Gm)? |
Both. The musical alphabet starts at A, goes to G, then starts again at A, ike this:
A B C D E F G A B C D E F G A B C D E F G....
Each A-G is called an octave, so you have a C and a G in each octave. |
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| Zild |
| If you pitch up a 5A-Cm then it will turn into a 12A-Dflat minor and then if you keep going it turns into a 7A-Dm, not a 6A(Gm). I forget how much a semitone is pitchwise. Maybe someone else can help. |
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| skip |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
If you pitch up a 5A-Cm then it will turn into a 12A-Dflat minor and then if you keep going it turns into a 7A-Dm, not a 6A(Gm). I forget how much a semitone is pitchwise. Maybe someone else can help. |
wow! didn't know about that! is there some rule how many steps it goes and to what direction, or is it just random in the table? |
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| Zild |
Well this is how the rules are. If you pitch up a semitone you get a sharp, which is the same thing as the flat of the next note up. If you pitch up a whole tone then you get the next note up.
e.g.
A pitched up a semitone is Asharp/Bflat
A pitched up two semitones is B
C pitched up a semitone is Csharp/Dflat
C pitched up two semitones is D
ect... It just follows the alphabet there are some exceptions like there is no Esharp/Fflat because the interval between those two is only a semitone, and the same with B/C. |
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