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Boeing introduces next-gen 747, the -800! [ATTN BAKI] (pg. 3)
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| Wyndham |
| quote: | Originally posted by milos
I'll back vertigo up on that one. That was the reason why i chose Boeing over Airbus when i read the news. Boeing already has a big client list for the 748 and almost enough to break even, whereas airbus is not even half way there.
and just to add - the current 747s can fly with just 1 engine if they had to also |
i agree too... also training costs for the new 747 will be almost nothing compared to airbuses a380's since its essentially the same plane. All the airlines already have a 747 program/pilots in place and would have to spend millions and millions to develop and train new pilots for the a380.. as well as airports having to extend their runways and raise the gates to accomidate it. Boeing made a good move, and along with the 7E7 (cheap cheap operating costs) should take back the majority of the market share in the airline industry, espically with gas being the price it is. True the a380 has a ridiculous amount of space, but when u factor in the airport costs, training costs and cost of the planes, not too sure if its gonna work out cheaper, it would definately have to be a long long term investment for it to pay off. Now if only airbus wasn't so heavily subsidised by the EU.
any of u guys pilots? |
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| Wyndham |
| o yea.. and cargo companys and airlines have set routes they fly.. like toronto-london or whatever.. like air canada can't fly paris-moscow for example... so they have set routes to/from certain airports, if they want to buy the a380, the airports along their routes need to be able to accomidate it. So now your into a game of which airports are going to upgrade to handle the plane, all of them that the company needs, some? when is it going to be done by, in time for us to take delivery of the a380's. Which i imagine is a huge pain in the ass because its hard to get a guarentee for something like that and when are renovations ever done by the time their supposed to be. Eventually the a380 massive plane style will probably be the norm, but its gonna be a looooong time i think. |
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| milos |
| quote: | | any of u guys pilots? |
wannabes.
yea exactly, thats the way i look at it too - the a380 being more of a long term project and paving the way for a new standard, so you gotta give it time. |
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| Wyndham |
| quote: | Originally posted by milos
wannabes.
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lol a couple of you know quite a bit for just being a hobby |
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| tw1tch |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
In your own argument lies the killer, Kevin - how many airports around the world are going to be able to take the A380, passenger or cargo variant? As you said, passenger numbers are increasing immensely, yet airport sizes are not. |
It's 10x easier to increate gate capacity than it is to increase the number of landing slots and gates themselves. |
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| VERTiG0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by tw1tch
It's 10x easier to increate gate capacity than it is to increase the number of landing slots and gates themselves. |
Is it economically viable? |
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| djeso |
| quote: | Originally posted by tw1tch
I don't think there is a significant difference between the 400 and 800 to drive airlines to buy it. They need more capacity, in a big way, like the A380. It may not be perfect (the A380), but with the limited slots airlines have at major hubs, and the projected increase in passengers, I think the A380 will win over the 747-800. The amount of passengers are increasing at a high rate, airport size and landing slots are not. |
Just wonder what defects will arise from an airbus, they haven't been around long enough in my opinion, it's like comparing vestax to technics really, there are way more beoing out there then air buses, and if one engine goes in that double decker plane, just imagine what happens |
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| djeso |
| quote: | Originally posted by 7-4-7
oh sure....yeah comming home from Italy, 4 years ago the landing gear was SUPPOSED to come down, but a very loud noise indicated that the landing gear was not comming down...anyways the pilot came on and made some generic announcement that mean't nothing to anyone there...he should have just came on and said "no, I dont think we are going to die"...but nonetheless we landed and later found out that there were issues with the wheels, landing gear and there was some talk that the stopping/brake system was flawed in some way.
Any europeans on this site will know that a plane FULL of old italian ladies goes haywire when a plane makes a crashing noise....
....i'd rather go Cesna. |
I've worked on an airport for over a year, spoke with many employees, planes have minor problems nearly everytime and most of the time no one even knows, second of all i been on many plane, landing gears always make noise when they retract, if there was a flow you'd be in an emergancy position with a proper announcement, nearly killed you ???? |
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| djeso |
Actually the old 747 is capable of landing with one engine running, has already proven itself on few occasions. |
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| malek |
The real deal, the A380.
Hopefull i'll see one in our skies next year. :) |
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| Wyndham |
| quote: | Originally posted by tw1tch
It's 10x easier to increate gate capacity than it is to increase the number of landing slots and gates themselves. |
the 2 main problems are the level the gates are normally at, they are too low for the 380, not the amount of gates or capacity, and the runways are too short.
landing slots dont really have anything to do with it, thats really decided by how good the controllers are. Heathrow(london) is tiny compared to pearson but it handles an insane amount of traffic and is the hub for the rest of europe. they're just building their 3rd runway i think, pearson has 5 lol.
and any twin engine plane can land and can almost always fly with one engine, they're designed that way... 747/a380 could easily fly on 3 engines or even 2. Pretty sure it could land with 1 if it had too. |
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| milos |
| quote: | Originally posted by djeso
Just wonder what defects will arise from an airbus, they haven't been around long enough in my opinion, it's like comparing vestax to technics really, there are way more beoing out there then air buses, and if one engine goes in that double decker plane, just imagine what happens |
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: |
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