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Opinon on DJ who dun use vinyl (pg. 3)
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| Jah |
i saw richie hawtin a few weeks ago he was using the final scratch system before you guys diss it check what it actually is eh the whole point of final scratch is to find a comprimise between the traditional technology and new ones for those that dont know final scratch is NOT just pressing a button and having your mp3s mix by themselves or some bs.
it involves
using normal tunrtables (your technics would be best! :D) and a special encoded record. the only new thing to the whole setup is the laptop the encoded records (youl probably need 2 or 3 for each deck) and your music on the laptop. what final scratch does is it hooks up to your mixer or table? im not sure actually but basically it allows the digital music on the laptop act as if it is all on the special encoded record all it means is the songs from the laptop are instantly accesable on your records and you dont need to swap records at all during the whole mix... because everytime you load up a new song its like the vinyl transforms to a 12" of that song and you mix like you would any other vinyl... its meant to be bringing a both worlds together and i think it is a intresting idea but i dunno how it would work out... i dont like the idea of having all your music on a computer to play out either tho... |
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| tnt_ |
| There's lot of dj'ing software out there (Native Instruments Traktor DJ is one of the best I've tried). The thing is the software only helps you much the beat.. There's a long way from a beatmatch to a liveset... choosing the right tracks at the right order and mix them at the right spot at the right volume is still a job you have to do manually. I agree that this decreases the "cost" of the whole thing and will probably get us cheaper dj's playing good tunes (the ones they couldn't get before). Sooner or later everyone will probably using this technique. |
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| Aldrian |
If I paid to see some high profile then i would really mind if he was just using a laptop to play the music.
i would much rather have him using cds at least but cds is also as good as vinyl. |
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| Jah |
| sheet dont you guys read any of the posts before... |
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| tnt_ |
we read the posts and the website - thanks.
some people talk about sound quality some talk about the idea of using decks.. finalscratch uses decks. the special vinyls supplied with it contain a signal which is analyzed by the computer which translates what happened to that signal by the deck's and does the same to the mp3 or wav file on the computer and outputs it back to the mixer where it gets mixed. end of story.
if your problem is the fact that its mp3, well use a better encoding or wav files. but still mp3 files sound almost as good when encoded properly and definitely better than a thousand-times scratched vinyl (which is the case with most dj's who don't get their vinyls for free as the big guys) |
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| DJDan-B |
| quote: | Originally posted by skywarp
Playing digital recordings just doesn't have the 'OOOMPH' deep heavy bass kick you can get off Vinyl, especially if the tracks are in .MP3 format. The whole FinalScratch system still has some latency - around 12ms which is a LOT for live audio application. It is a very nice idea but I wouldn't start selling my vinyl just yet. Digital audio has its applications mostly in consumer / portable markets but analog will NEVER die.
And wouldn't you look like a dork showing up at a party with a laptop instead of with a vinyl case ... |
It really depends the way the mp3 is encoded and the more important thing is the source itself. In other words the Wave file. If its correctly recorded at correct gain, the 192 or 256 kb mp3 will sound fine. Cuz after all, the frequencies that you loose are very small. It's hard to really hear the difference. People think this way because they listen to mp3s that are not really a high quality mp3. But in any case the difference exist. |
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| InfiniteSquare |
| Faaaaaak... most of you are completely dense. |
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| DJDan-B |
OK, most of you here hardly know what mixing is all about. Let me clear myslef: Using Vinyl =/= Working Hard.
Most of you say: "If i come to a party i want to see "him" woking hard.
Well if thats the reason you go there, then next time go to McDonalds or something cuz there they work hard.
Using vinyls is sweet, very easy and friendly. Its actually MUCH LESS complicated then using CD PLAYERS and MP3S. Just to let you know to do the same mix quality (and im talking a nice transition here) on turntables you will have to work much harder to get it on CDs or EVEN MUCH harder on MP3s and here is why: PITCH control (speed control) + torque it's all about. High torque direct drive dc frequency controlled motor makes the SL1200 a perfect tool. Pitch control precision is very good, you get a nice range between 0 and +- 8%. On cd playeds (except pioneers) you get less range on the same or even higher percentage and you loose precision, means working HARDER to get the job done well. PCs are nightare in this case. If the system doesnt run stable, your pitch may varey very little but enough to f**ck up the mix. So again working hard to get the job done. I can talk more about this and explain in details why Vinyls is MUCH easier but i know it makes it long to read :tongue2
So next time you say pressing buttons in nothing or easy, well think again, maybe spinning vinyls IS THE REAL doing nothing. Just an image. |
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| enDz |
Chris Liebing used it at Sensation Black, and his labtop crashed i think lol. Than he went back on vinyls since he didnt pack a whole lotta records to really match the set he was playing soft stuff compared to his stuff before he crashed.
I think its a big step and is much easier on the dj with the amount of records he would have to bring. Plus it acts like normal turntables just you input your track than the records are treated like any other records cept its getting data from the pc/labtop.
We'll have to wait and see where this will lead us :) But it sure does put a lot of ease on the dj, the mixing is a another story tho. |
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| michif72 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jlosada
The future is digital and nothing can't stop it. But I'm not agree that only pressing a button you have the mix done. |
You don't know what you're talking about..........U don't press a button by using FinalScratch....
The Only Difference is that u use a laptop (or better the MP3s on it's harddisk) instead of vinyl cases......The FinalScratch Software sends the song informationen from the laptop to 2 digital Turntables.....With FinalScratch u get 2 Vinyls which have are very special, there's no music on them.They are only used to read the MP3-Files from the Laptop.......So u can do everything u do with all other Turntables (btw:it works with all turntables, u just need the vinyls, the software and the FS-Connector between Laptop and Turntables to convert the Files)..........
This has nothing to do with Pressing a button and you're done.
Think of all the Advantages! Looping, Effects, etc.
Josh Wink uses it too.
And btw: What's the problem with using for example NI Traktor? The crowd just wants to hear the music, how this is done doesn't matter imo.
The only Difference is that Traktor feels like mixing with a beatcounter. And i think nearly every Pioneer DJM User mixes with Beatcounter! |
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| DJDan-B |
| Actually what i think they use (from the way i understand technology) its a vinyl with recored pulse. This pulse represents a certain frequency. Laptor (any computer) will capture the peack frequency and if the frequency match the programmed one, it will play the track, as soo as you will speed it up, you modify the frequency and the copmuter will react to the error and will speed up the track virtually instantly. Same thing with slowing down and even scratching cuz after all what scratchign is , just playing around with frequencies. |
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| Cyberwoo |
| Ugh...some of these posts are just painful to read. I'm a nice guy so that is all I will say. ;) |
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