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| ASFSE |
| So, I can beatmatch easily, but i can't line up my phrases; i can't get the downbeats of both tracks lined up. whenever i make a transition i always get 2 cymbal crashes or somthing (1 cy from ea track) going off, and it sounds ackward. What is the way to practice getting the phrases matched up? i'm mixing house btw, thanks for the help. |
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| s3nate |
| I mix trance but it must be somewhat the same. Anyways what I do is wait untill the end of the melody and more then likely thats when the phrase would end/start, then let go of the record. Or just listen very very well for the cymbals and hopefully let go of the record at the right time. |
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| Pinokio |
Phrase in general has 32 beats, so count 32 beats from the begining of the phrase and then the beat that comes after the 32 beat, will be the beginning of the next Phrase, so just release the cue record at that time.
by time you will not need to count, you will just feel it, for this I try to understand the track every 4 beats.
Try to feel the difference between the (bum, bum, bum, bum).
Hope this helps you. |
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| Ocal |
Pinokio
nailed it on the head......beat matching all comes down to how well you can count out the music. before i figured out that all music is in 32 beat phrases, my matching sucked, and after it made it a lot easier....now for two cymbols hitting at the same time......if you got the beats on, it shouldn't make much difference it should sound great. the other thing you might want to do is never keep the two records at the same volume, but it all boils down to how you mix.
good luck
Dj O'Cal |
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| ASFSE |
thanks guys for all your help
oh, and what i meant about the 2 cymbal crashes was that, one would go off on the first beat, and then on the 2nd beat you'd hear another cymbal or likewise transitional effect. |
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| Rebel Brown |
Then the problem is that you're not cueing the incoming track at the right time.
If you are counting when you're about to release the record, don't drop it on the 4th beat, drop it on the 5th (i.e. the first beat of a new bar).
I'm useless at explaining this kind of stuff, ask Nem :p |
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| Abhay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rebel Brown
Then the problem is that you're not cueing the incoming track at the right time.
If you are counting when you're about to release the record, don't drop it on the 4th beat, drop it on the 5th (i.e. the first beat of a new bar).
I'm useless at explaining this kind of stuff, ask Nem :p |
I just drop it one beat early. (By this stage, the pitch of both tracks should be the exact same). then just touch the vinyls to line up the beats again.
simple. |
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| Rebel Brown |
Riiight...
Whatever floats your boat I spose! |
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| Abhay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rebel Brown
Riiight...
Whatever floats your boat I spose! |
hmm... i don't ride pitch...
i get it right before mixing in... i mean, i might make some adjustments to pitch, if it sounds like it's slipping off. BUt usually i get it really right, and not much adjustments are needed for my mixes. THeir usually only 1-1.5minutes long i think :S.
maybe that makes more sense :S |
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| Ocal |
| a minute mix is good, but try mixing for 3 minutes at a time....you'll get some crazy mixes that way.....you'll learn how to manipulate the pitch to get a deeper bass, and groovier sounds coming out of the speakers....... |
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| davemolina |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ocal
a minute mix is good, but try mixing for 3 minutes at a time....you'll get some crazy mixes that way.....you'll learn how to manipulate the pitch to get a deeper bass, and groovier sounds coming out of the speakers....... |
I'll bet. You gotta make sure your tracks are in key though. |
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| sirhiss |
Do you guys actually count 1-2-3-4...32 in your head?
A lot of songs let you know when a new phrase begins. Like a bass cut in the last bar of the phrase or a cymbal ( or however its spelled ). |
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