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Sampling/ Adv. Beatmatching Qs?.
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| Ministerio |
I'm trying to get better and better through practice, but sometimes when I have a block I come here to clear my mind.
So lets start off with beatmatching. Yes I know practice helps, but the next gig I play somewhere I want to walk in KNOWING that I'll nail the beatmatching, because up until now, that was one of my fears (trainwrecking) when I played out somewhere.
So my question is, what are some small tips/tricks to help train your ears more so that your beatmatching closes perfection. (Yes, I know, nothing is perfect) I recently heard about using your 'other' ear to beatmatch, the one you normally don't use, does this somehow help? How? Anyways if you have tips for things that worked for you, I'd like to hear them and use them...because that is what I'll be incorporating into my practice sessions.
Also, how is sampling done properly?!?! I'm trying it out at home (not a sampler but sampling the next record in) and it doesn't sound right. What bar/measure should the sample be. Also theres a trick where if two tracks are being currently being mixed and they are both at full volume, for the last bar you lower one of the volumes, and the next measure, BAM! flick the fader up again)
Anyways I'd just like to know cool sampling/volume tricks you can do.
As always, a humble DJ in the making.
Thanks for any input. |
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| wee_rooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by wee_rooney
1. i always beatmatch the percusion NOT the kickdrums!
2. i find it helps if you use your wrong ear to beatmatch, in other words if your right eared then use your left ear when usin the pfl to beatmatch! |
taken from a post further down ;) |
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| Ministerio |
| quote: | Originally posted by wee_rooney
taken from a post further down ;) |
Alright, thanks.
So using your 'wrong' ear actually helps your beatmatching? Or it gives you something more challenging to learn? |
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| wee_rooney |
for me it makes my beatmatchin quicker and more accurate, but i dont spend all that much time beatmatchin anyway. but theres been some people on here also tried it and said it didnt work for them.
i dont know the reason why, it just works for me :conf: |
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| Nemesis44 |
A good tip for improving your beat matching is to mix with out the headphones and just go through the speakers, you learn to hear things in a different way. As said by many.
As said as well, swap ears as you will be listening more attentively with the ear you are not used to and it's never a bad thing to be able to mix with both.
Another thing you can do is just start matching from the point where you would mix the track, don't worry too much about not getting it right at first, it just helps you deal with on the spot mixing and makes you more equiped to deal with real life scenarios that may occur.
As for using other percussion to key off rather than kicks... it can work but really only with claps or snares providing they are not off beat. Hi hats and stuff can have totally different placements so it's not always relaiable. At least in my opinion.
When you are talking loops are we talking CDJ1000?
If so then the best thing to do is prepare your loops before hand by saving them to the memory card and recalling them.
Just get to the first bar of the section you want to loop and then turn off the CD player. Just before the first kick of the bar hit the first loop button, then walk it through using the jog wheel until you get to the fith or the ninth kick sound and just before the sound starts hit the second loop button. Then play it back, and if you don't get it right the first time just try again. Once you have it down right you can recal it if you save it to memory and it also takes the guess work out of making loops and makes them more reliable to mix with.
If it's another product we are talking about then I may not be able to assist.
Cheers
Nem |
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| Ministerio |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
A good tip for improving your beat matching is to mix with out the headphones and just go through the speakers, you learn to hear things in a different way. As said by many.
As said as well, swap ears as you will be listening more attentively with the ear you are not used to and it's never a bad thing to be able to mix with both.
Another thing you can do is just start matching from the point where you would mix the track, don't worry too much about not getting it right at first, it just helps you deal with on the spot mixing and makes you more equiped to deal with real life scenarios that may occur.
As for using other percussion to key off rather than kicks... it can work but really only with claps or snares providing they are not off beat. Hi hats and stuff can have totally different placements so it's not always relaiable. At least in my opinion.
When you are talking loops are we talking CDJ1000?
If so then the best thing to do is prepare your loops before hand by saving them to the memory card and recalling them.
Just get to the first bar of the section you want to loop and then turn off the CD player. Just before the first kick of the bar hit the first loop button, then walk it through using the jog wheel until you get to the fith or the ninth kick sound and just before the sound starts hit the second loop button. Then play it back, and if you don't get it right the first time just try again. Once you have it down right you can recal it if you save it to memory and it also takes the guess work out of making loops and makes them more reliable to mix with.
If it's another product we are talking about then I may not be able to assist.
Cheers
Nem |
As always thanks for the good advice. But a Q.
| quote: | | Another thing you can do is just start matching from the point where you would mix the track |
Do you mean, that I start mixing the cued record in, while beatmatching it at the same time? (IE not matching it in the headphones, but live?)
Also, no I wasn't talking about a CDJ. I just mix with two TTs (currently) and I've seen (and heard) cool sounding things where the DJ would quickly snap up the channel fader and sample a bar from the next record in, then crash it out, and keep doing it, and then finally would mix it in.
Thanks, also I've reached a little dilemna! :mad: I wouldn't say I'm starting to get bored, but I feel I need more to do, or need more of a challenge. Because up until now I've just done the same old same old. Mixed from one record to the other, turn bass down of incoming, move channel fader up, more bas, lower bass of previous track, and finally the second is playing live. But I feel like going back and fo5rth is not enough for me.
Is it just me, or do new DJ's who learn also experience this, 'emptyness, like there's mre to be done. I hope I don't get the comment, "then djing isn't for you..." becauise it IS!!! :D Nem what would you recommend I do? Geta third deck, CDJ maybe? |
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| Rebel Brown |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ministerio
what would you recommend I do? Geta third deck, CDJ maybe? |
Yeah, or maybe add an FX unit to your setup.
I'd get a 3rd deck first though. |
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| wee_rooney |
| Ministerio you should check out the sticky thread at the top of the page about advanced tips & tricks, on the last page there is a couple of good links to different sites with good advice there! :) |
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| veezee |
I find one of the most important things about beatmatching (IMO) is the initial drop in of cue'd record. If you have to spend time correcting to get the beats aligned before actually "matching" them , it makes it more of a pain. Practise pushing off the record. If it is done correctly those 2 records will be matched right off the hop (even if it is for a second), and then you decide if it needs to sped up or slowed down. Use the pitch for this. After that record is dropped , you should not need to touch it again.
Hope that helps.
Jay |
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