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If you buy a political ad during elections you can go to jail (pg. 2)
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
are there not regulations on donations and how much money political parties can spend? i.e. Ted Rogers can't give one party a billion dollars and they'd be allowed to spend it on ads. |
If you find any that have been enforced recently, let me know.
That's missing the point anyway... if a corporation donates $20 billion and the party can only spend $1 million on ads, then isn't it obvious that it's in exchange for political favours? That's a far more serious problem than advertising, and that's what the Conservatives are trying to mitigate. Big Business Government.
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
a corporation could *easily* promote their own political agenda by having a "private citizen" buy an ad.
this is ripe for abuse...I support the law. |
Free speech is abused sometimes. That doesn't make it any less free. Just exactly what is so wrong with a corporation "promoting their own political agenda?" Aren't they supposed to have the right to do that?
If what you're saying is that Canadians are too stupid and uninformed on their own that they'd be brainwashed in seconds by expensive advertisements, then you're probably right but it's still not a valid excuse. |
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| JB1 |
Money = Power in the world ... this does not exclude in politic ;)
Put yourself in their shoes, if there is a private donation into your party & somehow that private donation links into a corporation. Who has more power in that case? The government or the corporation? You can be the judge on it. :D
Unfortunately, there are a lot of secrecy inside our(any) government we have no clue about. Just need to think outside of the box to see what is really happening around us. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by JB1
Put yourself in their shoes, if there is a private donation into your party & somehow that private donation links into a corporation. Who has more power in that case? The government or the corporation? You can be the judge on it. :D |
The Canadian voter has the power, if he chooses to vote and not be an idiot about it.
But you're right, this is about a money = power perception, and as stated earlier, the LPC knows that most of its support comes from large corporations while most Conservative support comes from private individuals - hence this ban. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by daves
conservatives have no corporate support? wtf? since when? is there a published list of all their sponsors somewhere? |
(most corporate donations went to the old PCs, and most individual donations went to the old CA)
It should be noted that things have drastically changed since the new campaign finance laws came into effect. |
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| DigiNut |
Bahahaha, "55555 Inc." is the best. For those who aren't aware, that's basically Paul Martin's slush fund that he uses to funnel large personal donations into the party.
I actually found a breakdown of the 55555 donations a while back, but I can't remember where it was. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Bahahaha, "55555 Inc." is the best. For those who aren't aware, that's basically Paul Martin's slush fund that he uses to funnel large personal donations into the party.
I actually found a breakdown of the 55555 donations a while back, but I can't remember where it was. |
Hmmm that site seems to be down. Couldn't be because of the election, right? It's just a coincidence, right? Canada is a democracy, right?
Wrong. |
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| Fir3start3r |
Liberal are screwed this election when it comes to corporate donations.
The wifey and I recently had a converstation with our local Conservative candidate who mentioned to us that since there was no love lost between Chretien and Martin, Chretien left a law behind that essentially caps corporate donations to a couple thousand dollars... ;) |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Hmmm that site seems to be down. Couldn't be because of the election, right? It's just a coincidence, right? Canada is a democracy, right?
Wrong. |
Good thing that everything on the web gets cached!
Filtering the information from those three pages, the highest CASH contributions were:
| quote: | AIC Limited $100,000.00
Alliance Communications $100,000.00
Arista Homes Limited $100,000.00
CanWest Global $100,000.00
J. Pattison Ind. $100,000.00
J.D. Irving Limited $100,000.00
American Farm Inv. $75,000.00
Onex Corporation $75,000.00
Canadian Automobile Dealers Association $56,500.00
Apotek Inc. $50,000.00
Barber, T.K. $50,000.00
Davies Ward Beck Phillips & Vineberg $50,000.00
Deloitte & Touche $50,000.00
Griffiths McBurney & Partners $50,000.00
Mulvihill, J. $50,000.00
Oxford Frozen Foods $50,000.00
Sprott, E. $50,000.00
Torys $50,000.00
10 Toronto Street $25,000.00
Alpha Labs $25,000.00
Armarwest Investments Ltd. $25,000.00
Bombardier $25,000.00
Cinemas Guzzo $25,000.00
CN Railway $25,000.00
Conros Corporation $25,000.00
David T.K. Ho Enterprises Ltd. $25,000.00
Dom Group $25,000.00
Dundee Realty Management Corp. $25,000.00
F.S. Industries $25,000.00
HMY Airways Inc. $25,000.00
Hollinger $25,000.00
Hollinger Canadian $25,000.00
Irwin, S. $25,000.00
Matthews, Terence H. $25,000.00
Saturn Processing Plant Constructors Ltd. $25,000.00
Shannon, J. $25,000.00
Torys LLP $25,000.00
Winderin Properties Ltd. $25,000.00
Woodbridge $25,000.00
566226 Ontario Ltd. o/a AATS $20,000.00
Bay Ford Lincoln Sales Inc. $20,000.00
Brascan $20,000.00
DelZotto, Elvio $20,000.00
DelZotto, Elvio $20,000.00
Dumont, Y. $20,000.00
Tong, Ms. Ophelia $20,000.00
TrentonWorks, A Greenbrier Company $20,000.00
Trilon Financial Corporation $20,000.00
Cerescorp $15,000.00
Intier Automotive $15,000.00
MacDonald, James $15,000.00
Magna International $15,000.00
Max Pasley Enterprises $15,000.00
South Alder Greenhouses Ltd. $15,000.00
Tesma Int. Inc. $15,000.00
Petra Ltee $11,000.00
565509 Saskatchewan Ltd. (CFR Radio, 66CFR) $10,000.00
Abitbol, Sylvain $10,000.00
Alpha Global $10,000.00
Astral Media $10,000.00
Bodejo Investments Limited $10,000.00
Canada's Research-Based Pharmaceutical Companies $10,000.00
Canada's Research-Based Pharmaceutical Companies $10,000.00
Canadian National $10,000.00
Canadian Pacific Railway Company $10,000.00
CIMA s.e.n.c. $10,000.00
CIMA s.e.n.c. $10,000.00
Cinemas Guzzo Inc. $10,000.00
Cressey Development Corporation $10,000.00
Divco Limitee $10,000.00
Empire Company Limited $10,000.00
Gouin, Serge $10,000.00
Herve Pomerleau Inc. $10,000.00
Hollywood - Bollywood Productions $10,000.00
Hotchkiss, H. $10,000.00
Kierans, T. $10,000.00
McCaig Inv. Ltd. $10,000.00
McDevco Holdings Ltd. $10,000.00
MCL Motor Cars (1992) Inc. $10,000.00
Musacchio, V. $10,000.00
Pfizer Canada Inc. $10,000.00
Porteous, Jamie $10,000.00
Purdue Pharma $10,000.00
Reitmans (Canada) Limited $10,000.00
RioCan REIT $10,000.00
Segal, Alvin $10,000.00
Sloan, Dr. George $10,000.00
Sobey Leased Properties Ltd. $10,000.00
Sun Steel Fabricators Ltd. $10,000.00
Talisman Energy Inc. $10,000.00
Tempest Management Corp. $10,000.00
University Golf Club $10,000.00
Vyco Limited $10,000.00
Warnex Inc. $10,000.00
Westcliff Developments Ltd. $10,000.00
Bio Syntech Canada Inc. $9,000.00
Aventis Pharma Inc. $8,000.00
Simard-Beaudry Inc. $8,000.00
Cadence Communications Inc. $7,000.00
Triangle Communication $6,000.00
1122630 Ontario Limited (H & S Foods) $5,000.00
1253818 Ontario Ltd. (ESP Group) $5,000.00
2845-2746 Quebec Inc. (O/A CIMA - Mr. Kasimir Olecnovictch) $5,000.00
891990 Ontario Inc. (Roots Car Rental) $5,000.00
A One Construction $5,000.00
ACCU Electric Motors Inc. $5,000.00
ADS Inc. $5,000.00
Alliance Atlantis Vivafilm $5,000.00
Apollo Microwaves Ltd. $5,000.00
Associates Claims Advisors Inc. $5,000.00
AXA Assurances Inc. $5,000.00
Barraclough, J. Bruce $5,000.00
Bassi Broadcasting Corporation (Toronto) Inc. C.O.B. B.B.C. Toronto $5,000.00
Bassi Trade Co. Ltd. $5,000.00
Bloom, Hyman $5,000.00
Boa-Franc $5,000.00
Bois Daaquam Inc. $5,000.00
Borden Ladner Gervais s.r.l. $5,000.00
Bristol-Myers Squibb Canada Inc. $5,000.00
Britton, Mr. Perry $5,000.00
Campbell, H.S. $5,000.00
Canco Plastics Inc. $5,000.00
Capital Traiteur Montreal Inc. $5,000.00
Carpenters' District Council of Ontario $5,000.00
CIMA S.E.N.C. $5,000.00
Companion Holidays $5,000.00
Cooper, Lloyd P. $5,000.00
Corus Entertainment Inc. $5,000.00
Crombie Developments Limited $5,000.00
Decoma $5,000.00
DeLucia, G. $5,000.00
Desjardin Ducharme Stein Monast $5,000.00
Divco Limitee $5,000.00
DTKH Burrard Properties Ltd. $5,000.00
Dulai, Ranjit Singh $5,000.00
Ebrahim, Sajjad H. $5,000.00
Fasken Martineau $5,000.00
Finning $5,000.00
Fortin & Levesque Inc. $5,000.00
Fraser Milner Casgrain LLP $5,000.00
Galleria Investments Montreal Inc. $5,000.00
Garaga Inc. $5,000.00
George & Asmussen Ltd. $5,000.00
Gowling Lafleur Henderson LLP $5,000.00
Heffernan, G. $5,000.00
J.E. Verreault et Fils Ltee $5,000.00
Janpath Metal Fabrication Ltd. $5,000.00
Jobal Industries Ltd. $5,000.00
Kolapore Investments Inc. $5,000.00
Kwality Sweets $5,000.00
Lagasse, Louis $5,000.00
Lavery, de Billy $5,000.00
Le Groupe Genco $5,000.00
Le Groupe Ocean Inc. $5,000.00
Les Entrepreneurs A. Beaudin 1995 Inc. $5,000.00
L'Intendant Inc. $5,000.00
Live 2 U $5,000.00
Maintenance & Construction Skilled Trades Council $5,000.00
McCaig, J.R. $5,000.00
McGregor, A. Doug $5,000.00
Mechanical Industry Advisory Committee (MIAC) $5,000.00
Merck Frosst Canada & Co. $5,000.00
Mitchell, W. $5,000.00
Moga Cultural Club of Ontario $5,000.00
Moimeme Investments Inc. $5,000.00
Moimeme Investments Inc. $5,000.00
Polansky, Hyman $5,000.00
Premier Tech Corporatif $5,000.00
Purba, Baldev $5,000.00
R.G.R. Sportswear Inc. $5,000.00
Rainy Day Investment Ltd. $5,000.00
Reliance Construction (Ontario) Inc. $5,000.00
Roche Ltee, Groupe-Conseil $5,000.00
Sandhu, Dr. Sashpal S. $5,000.00
Sarai FAAP FAAFP CAQG, Dr. Sarai $5,000.00
Schneider, W. $5,000.00
Singh, Mr. Ranjit $5,000.00
Siskind, Cromarty, Ivey & Dowler LLP $5,000.00
Skydome Truck Centre Inc. $5,000.00
Smith, Donald J. $5,000.00
Star Plastics Inc. $5,000.00
The Tauben Family Foundation $5,000.00
Tremblay, Martin-Eric $5,000.00
Turbo Properties Ltd. $5,000.00
Victor Innovatex Inc. $5,000.00
Waldman LL.B., Lorne $5,000.00
Wheaton, Donald H. $5,000.00
Woodbine Banquet & Convention Hall Ltd. $5,000.00 |
And the highest In-Kind contributions:
| quote: | Greenwin Property Management Inc. $38,889.58
Morguard Corporation $28,420.07
Paros Enterprises Ltd. $28,420.07
Scarborough Automotice Centre Ltd. $28,420.07
Tri-White Corporation $28,420.07
Sheraton Vancouver $21,092.54
McCarthy Tetrault $19,616.68
McCarthy Tetrault $19,616.68
Plaza 55 Ltd $16,595.70
Sheraton Vancouver $15,010.10
ONEX Corporation $14,166.67
ONEX Corporation $14,166.67
The Jim Pattison Group $14,000.00
Alliance Atlantis $11,088.85
Clearwater Fine Foods $10,000.00
Compass Group $9,630.00
McCarthy Tetreault $7,846.67
Computer Dealers Inc. (CDI) $7,124.28
Tri-Tech Office Solutions $6,000.00
Plaza 55 Ltd $5,670.00
Loblaws Brand Limited $5,000.00 |
Who says you can't make money in politics! Take special note of the ones in bold... many are from the telecommunications, pharmaceutical, food, and entertainment industries - curiously, the same industries in which Canadian governing bodies (CRTC, FDA) will not allow American companies to come in to compete.
Honestly people, what do you think these massive donations are for? |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Chretien left a law behind that essentially caps corporate donations to a couple thousand dollars... ;) |
That's why Martin created 55555 Inc. - to completely bypass that law. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
That's why Martin created 55555 Inc. - to completely bypass that law. |
Actually, I stand corrected...
Taken from the Conservative website...
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The Conservative Party will stand up for:
• Ending the influence of big money in politics by banning corporate and union political donations and limiting individual donations to $1000.
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>>Source<<
That looks like a cap for ALL political contributions...
It also appears that this isn't in play yet, I'll have to confirm... |
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| DigiNut |
| ^ One of the reasons I intend to vote for Harper is simply the reforms he's planning with donation limits, elected senators, etc. Even if he accomplishes nothing else of importance, if he follows through with those promises then it will pave the way for fair elections and a fair legislation process which will at least help subsequent governments to do some good for this country. |
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| St_Andrew |
| How would they define political donations though? To me it seems like it could be pretty easy to go around it. Not really a great idea, but might help to deal with the current corrupt situation... But yeah something needs to be done about the role of money in politics, not only in Canada but in pretty much every western world country. |
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