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Uh oh! Noob Harmonic Mixing thread
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| burner69 |
Before we start; yes I did search for similar topics but found nothing :tongue2
Basically I've just started mixing, and I've got to the stage where I can fairly confidently beatmatch... but I really want to learn how to mix harmonically as soon as poss... then scratching... then cubism ;)
This is what I know about it so far;
1) Each song is in a key
2) Adjusting the pitch alters the key
3) To get a tantric mix you need to mix songs with matching keys... mix it up harmonically
Buuuut, what I want to know is...
1) How much is the key altered when adjusting the pitch?
2) What keys, exactly, can I mix together? Surely Armin doesn't play all his songs in C#, or PvD knocks out a 3 hour set in A minor.
:D
3) When beatmatching songs in the same key, if one has to be adjusted waaay up to, let's say, +7%, will that arse up the mix? Are there special ways of avoiding this (e.g picking songs of the right key and similar bpms).
Any help on this matter is, as ever, very much appreciated :) |
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| burner69 |
Don't mean to sound unappreciative mate, but I did look at that thread and it didn't really help. And while I admit I have not read it all, I don't have time to check several dozen pages of posts.
I put the "I have searched" comment at the start of my post for a reason; to prevent people linking me to that post, or worse, just typing "SEARCH". Instead of having a thread devoted to the basics of harmonic mixing (NOT the keys of tunes) we now have a thread illustrating the disparaging effects of people refusing to answer questions, and preferring instead to make the poster seem stupid.
RebelBrown, if you didn't mean that in a wry/smartass way I hope you accept my apologies. I am sorry.
Otherwise is there any chance somebody could just help me out?
NB Perhaps, in fact, certainly the answers to the questions in my first post are in this website - its just that I don't have all day to dredge through the clutter searching for "BPM pitch change" or "Harmonic keys for mixing".
Again, any help much appreciated. |
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| Tony Morello |
...or you could just post your question in that harmonic mixing thread and help free up the clutter in the dj booth
we're all about sharing info and helping, just take some time and think |
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| burner69 |
Apologies to all. After a bit of a read through said thread I found answers to most of what I was after.
Though I hardly think it unreasonable to ask for a quick "basics" re-cap in the DJ booth. The sticky harmonic thread is very useful, but not everyone has time to read through it, when you just want a few quick answers having to read through 14 pages of chat is a bit much, don't you think? I find it worrying that in a forum designed for questions being asked on mixing my queries are shovelled aside.
/End Rant/ |
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| Dervish |
Hmmm, nice attitute. Maybe you are just being defensive, but you catch more bees with sugar than salt. :D
And I think you are more looking for this type of thing yes?
>LINKY<
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
*hands burner tissues*
if you dont have the desire or inclination to read thru the harmonics sticky then harmonic mixing just isnt for you. |
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| Boomer187 |
hhmmm, you shoudl really read that post, it has all the answers....specifically..
| quote: | Originally posted in the thread with all your answers in the first post
So, once you have the key of the song and the next one you want to play, you can begin harmonically mixing. However, something important to note is that when you change the speed of the song to match the speed of the other record playing, you adjust the key it's in. One semitone difference is exactly +/- 5.61257%. So, if you were to have a song in C and pitch it up 5.6%, it now becomes C#. If you pitch it down 5.6%, it becomes B. Because the shift is linear, 5.6% will shift exactly one semitone regardless of the key of the song.
With that in mind, there's a % range you should try to stay in when mixing. + or - 1.5% will usually still leave you in the original key. +/- 4.5-7.5% will be about 1 semitone up or so. Note that mixing outside of these ranges potentially sounds very bad. However, you also need to take into account the song you're mixing into. For instance, if song B is at +4%, and song A is at +4%, and song B is mixed into song A and they are both the same key, the mix will still sound good
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and around there you wil lfind all your looking for. |
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| burner69 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
*hands burner tissues*
if you dont have the desire or inclination to read thru the harmonics sticky then harmonic mixing just isnt for you. |
Please, its nothing to do with desire or inclination. Its the fact I dont have the internet; and have to jump on my Dad's PC when he's not working on it - giving me about 30-45mins a day.
Yes, I was being defensive, because I get sick of seeing people asking questions, many of which could be answered in a few moments, and basically being told to p*ss off and search for the answers. I'm aware that you don't want a forum full of repeated questions and answers, I just didn't have the chance to read through the entire harmonic mixing thread, and the first few pages I read just seemed to be different songs and their keys, and people requesting other songs to be keyed.
The fact the title was "Keyed songs for harmonic mixing" or whatever, certainly backed up my belief that the thread was, as it said, keyed songs - NOT how to harmonically mix.
I'm sorry if I've offended anyone here, but I genuinely thought my questions were reasonable, and I believed I put them in an appropriate place. Evidently I was wrong.
It's unfortunate that by far the best website I've found for trance DJs is this one. So far my experience of this website, as very much a newbie in DJing, has been extremely unwelcoming.
Dervish, thank you. That is exactly what I was after. Saved, printed, and now I can get on with learning how to harmonically mix :)
EDIT: Boomer; thanks as well! |
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| Dervish |
No worries :toothless I was exactly the same when I started on this forum. I remember making the mistake of asking a simple question "what music do you like apart from trance" and then being attacked as it was misconstrued as "trance is why do you not like any other type of music atall". :p
Then I went all definsive too and it snowballed into a slagging match happy days. |
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| Tony Morello |
if just taking the time to read through a thread gets you all antsy, djing isn't for you
after 3 weeks of having your gear you'll be posting "why can't i beatmatch, this is so hard"
this is a hobby/job that requires A LOT of patience and A LOT of hard work... years and years of hard work
we're not trying to be a bunch of s here, there's a plethora of info in the dj booth, just be patient and read
because by this point there aren't too many topics that haven't been covered
if after spending time searching and reading and you still aren't quite clear on something, go ahead and post, bump the thread and people will be more than willing to give you a hand, cause it'll show you're actually taking initiative in your own development
in the end it is entirely up to you on how you learn and what you do
djing isn't something that someone can teach, in the end all it takes is practice and time |
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| burner69 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tony Morello
if just taking the time to read through a thread gets you all antsy, djing isn't for you
after 3 weeks of having your gear you'll be posting "why can't i beatmatch, this is so hard"
this is a hobby/job that requires A LOT of patience and A LOT of hard work... years and years of hard work
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I don't mean to go on, but I genuinely don't have the time. I have very limited internet access. I find it insulting that you're comparing my being a bit peeved on a forum (OK, a lot, it'd been a long day), with my DJing.
No point in carrying on with this crap anyway. I'll be in the harmonics thread posting what I did today...
(Thanks to those who helped, and sorry if I've come over as a - hope I can redeem myself :happy2: ) |
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