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Iran close to having nuclear bombs?? (pg. 2)
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| Pheobius |
this might not be relevant to anyone ouside the uk, but then again it might so i'm going to say it:
Remember that dead certainty that Iraq launch a chemical attack on Europe within 40mins? Just a thought. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pheobius
Remember that dead certainty that Iraq launch a chemical attack on Europe within 40mins? Just a thought. |
you mean they lied to us?:eek: |
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| sponger |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pheobius
this might not be relevant to anyone ouside the uk, but then again it might so i'm going to say it:
Remember that dead certainty that Iraq launch a chemical attack on Europe within 40mins? Just a thought. |
nice thought, but it has no relevance in this case. there is obviously a difference in situations between iraq and iran. its a known fact that they have a nuclear program and the way iran is acting isn't really convincing that they want to enrich uranium solely for electricity purposes. i guess we'll have to wait and see what happens in the next negotiations.
| quote: | | you mean they lied to us? |
do you have any proof that they lied? many intelligence agencies believed the same thing. but lets stay on topic, still i don't understand what your position is on this iran issue. |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Bush Says Faulty Iraq Data Makes Case Against Iran Tougher
Dec. 19 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush said faulty pre-war intelligence on Iraq's weapons programs is making it tougher for the U.S. to make its case that Iran is trying to develop nuclear arms.
``People will say, if we're trying to make the case on Iran, you know, `Well, the intelligence failed in Iraq; therefore, how can we can trust the intelligence in Iran?''' the president said at a news conference today at the White House.
Iran is pressing ahead with plans to enrich uranium for nuclear fuel in the face of opposition from the U.S., Europe and Israel. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad contends his country has a ``legitimate right'' to generate electricity from nuclear power plants, while Bush argues that the Iranians are taking steps to develop nuclear weapons. Talks between the European Union and Iran are scheduled to resume Dec. 21.
Bush was asked whether the failure to turn up evidence of biological or chemical weapons in Iraq after Saddam Hussein's regime was toppled is hindering the U.S. in dealing with future threats such as Iran or North Korea.
``No question that the intelligence failure on weapons of mass destruction caused all intelligence services to have to step back and re-evaluate the process of gathering and analyzing intelligence,'' Bush said. ``Where it is going to be most difficult to make the case is in the public arena.''
The U.S. is pursuing diplomatic efforts to thwart Iran's nuclear program with the help of European governments, Bush said. The U.S. also may take the matter to the United Nations Security Council.
Intelligence and Diplomacy
That path, too, requires rebuilding faith in the collection of intelligence gathering, Bush said. ``The credibility of intelligence is necessary for good diplomacy.''
Bush said there is ``universal agreement'' that Iran shouldn't be allowed to have a nuclear weapon. He said he continues to back a proposal from Russian President Vladimir Putin that would allow Iran to build a nuclear power plant while keeping uranium fuel in Russian control.
U.S. and European leaders have condemned recent statements by Ahmadinejad, calling for the eradication of Israel and dismissing as a ``myth'' the Nazi Holocaust that killed 6 million Jews during World War II.
To contact the reporters on this story:
Richard Keil in Washington at [email protected][/email];
Roger Runningen in Washington at [email][email protected]
Last Updated: December 19, 2005 13:53 EST |
Bush Says Faulty Iraq Data Makes Case Against Iran Tougher |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
Yes dont let them have bombs, but their is a way to it. Iran is/was always open to UN inspections, whatelse US wants? Strip naked the whole country? Simply putting them in the list of 'Axis of Evils' and invading the whole country will never ever solve the problem. It will only give rise to terrorism and hatred, which is more dangerous. |
Oh really?
Then what is this all about?
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Iran votes to block IAEA inspections
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran's parliament approved a bill Sunday requiring the government to block international inspections of its nuclear facilities if the nation is referred to the Security Council for possible sanctions.
The bill was approved by 183 of the 197 lawmakers present at the session, which was broadcast live on state-run radio. The vote came four days before the International Atomic Energy Agency board meets to consider referring Tehran for violating a nuclear arms control treaty.
When the bill becomes law, as is expected, it will strengthen the government's hand in resisting international pressure to abandon uranium enrichment, a process that can be used to produce fuel for nuclear reactors or an atomic bomb.
The United States accuses Iran of trying to build a nuclear weapon. Iran says its program is for generating electricity.
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
no nation should have nuclear weapons. anybody that thinks iran developing nuclear weapons is a good thing is a raging cockhead. how does that help the world?? *shakes head*
if theyre trying to build weapons then i favour taking their facilities out, one way or another. building & trusting intelligence in this context would be awfully difficult though.
the more countries that develop nuclear weapons, the less chance we will have of ever disarming anyone. |
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| sponger |
ogvh, i think key points in that article are :
"Iran is pressing ahead with plans to enrich uranium for nuclear fuel in the face of opposition from the U.S., Europe and Israel"
and "Where it is going to be most difficult to make the case is in the public arena"
its not saying that there is no case against iran, if thats what you were trying to imply.
anyway, im curious to see if iran accepts Putin's offer, although it doesn't look like it.
Nuclear Iran wouldn't benefit Russia |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Oh really?
Then what is this all about?
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Its posted on "Posted 11/20/2005 ". ....That is NOW na, after all this heated exchanges ... Dont forget they had UN inspectors in their country for years.
If they were 'Axis of Evils' than they would have never allowed anyone right from the begening like Liyba, Sudan etc.
Iran always had UN inspectors, and it never had any problem with them... its only after this humiliation that they and any muslim country today has to face, had they decided to retaliate.
This vote to block IAEA inspections is more an act of protest, than anything else. |
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| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
Its posted on "Posted 11/20/2005 ". ....That is NOW na, after all this heated exchanges ... Dont forget they had UN inspectors in their country for years.
If they were 'Axis of Evils' than they would have never allowed anyone right from the begening like Liyba, Sudan etc.
Iran always had UN inspectors, and it never had any problem with them... its only after this humiliation that they and any muslim country today has to face, had they decided to retaliate.
This vote to block IAEA inspections is more an act of protest, than anything else. |
Umm...o0k...good luck with all that. I'm sure that's going to end really well for them. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
Its posted on "Posted 11/20/2005 ". ....That is NOW na, after all this heated exchanges ... Dont forget they had UN inspectors in their country for years.
If they were 'Axis of Evils' than they would have never allowed anyone right from the begening like Liyba, Sudan etc.
Iran always had UN inspectors, and it never had any problem with them... its only after this humiliation that they and any muslim country today has to face, had they decided to retaliate.
This vote to block IAEA inspections is more an act of protest, than anything else. |
As true as that may be, how do they figure this is going to help themselves??
It appears to be more a step backwards and middle-finger to the rest of the world.
It's no wonder everyone else is suspicious of their intent with actions like this and such lovely quotable quotes from thier supreme ruler... |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
As true as that may be, how do they figure this is going to help themselves??
It appears to be more a step backwards..
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It gives them leverage in negotiations.
First they throw them out, and than when they agree to take them back in, it will look like a concession they made.
It will look like a step forward than at that time... |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
It gives them leverage in negotiations.
First they throw them out, and than when they agree to take them back in, it will look like a concession they made.
It will look like a step forward than at that time... |
Since when does throwing out U.N. inspectors count as, "leverage"?
The inspectors are there for a reason and they're not barter material; I think that's the point.
Iran has no business negotiating with something that's not theirs only to try and hand it back as an offer?! :conf: |
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