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| stabmasterflex |
I've been working on producing and listening to trance music for a few years and just finally got a pair of CDJ-200's and a DXM06 mixer. I've been a keyboard player in bands for over 10 years so beat matching hasn't been that difficult for me. Here's some questions i have though.
1.) if i'm beat matching and i can hear the two tracks coming out of line is it considered "cheating" to cut the bass freqs?
2.) Are there any DJ's out there that bring a keyboard along and rock out in their sets? I've been messing around with looping a 4 bar section of a track and playing a riff with my jp8000 or alesis ion and it's been fun as hell and sounds great. But i'm wondering what the cheese factor is here.
Anyways, i'm sure i'll think of more but that's all i got for now. |
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| Zild |
| In response to your first question. Although I cut my bass EQs all the time when mixing it is done to keep the mix smooth and to maintain the gain structure, not to mask a trainwreck. If you can hear the tracks coming out of line don't just cut the bass you need to make corrections to the incoming track via the pitch fader or by using your hand to physically push or pull the record. |
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| Illuminati |
1. If it is cheating or not you decide. But you could just correct your misstake with the jog wheel. I think it is better to cut the bass EQ then to let it sound like if you are spinning at a club.
But if it happens when you ar at your house, then fix it with the pitch, that way you get training in corrections.
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I think it would be cool to take a keyboard/synth and play along with a track. If it sounds good, then why not? The crowd maybe love it too. :D:disbelief |
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| Joost |
| You simply can't mask a trainwreck by cutting the bass. The higher tones will also be out of sync. So it isn't cheating, cause it doesn't work ;) |
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| Omega_Blue |
| yeah, if anything just slap the crossfader across and pretend it never happened, ala frankie wilde |
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| Nemesis44 |
Hey there,
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Yup as Zild correctly stated. It's gonna sound real crap if you try and mask it with the EQ as there is only so much that you can get away with using that method.
EQ is really only used to enhance the transition so that components don't overemphasise eachother like in the case of kick drums. Sometimes when you get parallel but reversed kick drum waves you will need to sort that out with the EQ otherwise the kick will disapear.
So keep working on the beatmatching.
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Abel Ramos does this amongst others. It would really only sound cheesy if you are playing something cheesy. The thing to remember is that should do this sparingly and vary the things that you do.
Ramos will have some fat explosive kicks which he puts into breakdowns every now and than or he will boost a break down using pads. As long as it enhances what you are doing and you don't loop for too long then it could work.
Cheers
Nem |
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| Laszlo |
Nem just about sums it up. Also, as a side not to your first question: people with trained ears (experienced DJ's) actually try to beatmatch tracks listening the hi hats instead of the bass, since it's a lot more accurate. So even if you kill the bass, people on the dancefloor will still notice the beats going out if sync. At least some of them :)
And I do definitely think you should play the keyboard along with the stuff you are playing. Accompaning with a saxophone works like a charm as well. A DJ who occasionally spins here in town always has a guy who either plays the sax or a keyboard along side. It really adds another dimension to the music and his sets. But, don't forget that beatmatching still is just as big issue, and if you're not confident enough about beatmatching, I suggest you improve your skills enough before you try to take it to the next level. Since you want to have time to play the keyboard as well, you will have even less time to match two records up. |
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| St. Michael |
| I actually often do the opposite in transitions (about 60% or more of my mixes) depending on the effect I am looking for. I slowly cut the upper frequencies and keep in the lower frequencies (on the outgoing track) until the end of the transition. I find that this works best on the Xone 92 because of the 4 band eq and the ability to use the filters to cut or enhance certain frequencies by boosting the resonance curve. IMO, my best mixes are done this way. There's a little more to the transition than just that, but I'm just pointing out that there are other great methods for transitioning than dumping the bass first. |
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