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Parents of slain U.S. soldier speak powerful words (pg. 3)
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| gouuryella |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
I said you can't argue with the two statements. You haven't.
Also my point made via the two statements is not that soliders shouldn't die, only that the duty of care to the soliders isn't being upheld.
And that "they are soliders it's their job to die" isn't correct. |
I said I could, and I can go on and on about what you stated its wrong, but we have two different opinions, and im affraid there is no common denomirator, and I dont feel like explaing you what to think, your a grown man, you can think for yourself right? ;) lol. Well then again in your statement, you can go for and againts it.
Your right, that term is incorrect, im sure what they meant to say is that being a soldier, you have to take in consideration death. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by gouuryella
Your right, that term is incorrect, im sure what they meant to say is that being a soldier, you have to take in consideration death. |
It was be a falicy to think otherwise; it's certainly not a free ride! |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by gouuryella
I said I could, and I can go on and on about what you stated its wrong, but we have two different opinions, and im affraid there is no common denomirator, and I dont feel like explaing you what to think, your a grown man, you can think for yourself right? ;) lol. Well then again in your statement, you can go for and againts it. |
I'm confused are you basicly saying "I disagree and I could argue with you...... but I'm not going to tell you why I disagree... or argue...." :wtf: ? |
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| gouuryella |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
I'm confused are you basicly saying "I disagree and I could argue with you...... but I'm not going to tell you why I disagree... or argue...." :wtf: ? |
I said I disagree with you. I also stated that I dont feel like telling you my argument againts it. Because its the opposite of what you stated, and plus you wont agree with me, so why is any good? I just wanted to tell you that there are other people that think different then you. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by gouuryella
I said I disagree with you. I also stated that I dont feel like telling you my argument againts it. Because its the opposite of what you stated, and plus you wont agree with me, so why is any good? I just wanted to tell you that there are other people that think different then you. |
Well, if you think different than him, why not try to make him understand how you think?! |
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| gouuryella |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
Well, if you think different than him, why not try to make him understand how you think?! |
Because I know he is a liberal like you and its hard to convince you ;). |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by gouuryella
Because I know he is a liberal like you and its hard to convince you ;). |
Well even if you won't convince any of us it is still important to try to make others understand. I would think it would be interesting to hear your arguments anyway.... |
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| Dervish |
I dunno if I am libral. ;)
Where I'm from we have left and right, and center, and center right and center left, far right, far left and so on. But even then I recon thats just pigeon holing.
:p |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I fail to believe a man who would give cash bonuses to terrorists for blowing themselves up, not having ties with al Qaeda...
(but that's just my personal opinion...) |
Well I guess you can tell each and every investigation and special Commission that has looked into the matter and tell them yourself they're full of . You don't have to take the matter up with me - take it up with the CIA, the State Dept., the 9/11 Commission, and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence headed up by my Republican Senator Pat Roberts (KS). They've all investigated the question and concluded no "operational ties" to al Qaeda.
This really wasn't a hard conclusion to come to in the first place. If you read the 9/11 Commission report you'll see that bin Laden approached Saddam with offers, but Saddam wanted nothing to do with the guy. They had different political and religious philosophies from the getgo, among other things.
| quote: | People need to take a closer look at the people involved instead of this virtual-armchair-critic nonsense...
>>Source<< |
Funny you cite the Weekly Standard to support your point about milblogs. I suppose it would really throw you a loop to come to the revelation that the military is effectively shutting down any blogs from those in the military that have dissenting viewpoints:
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/l...y-top-headlines
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...2500659_pf.html
But any blog that holds the water for this Administration keeps open. What a shocker, I know..... |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
Opus again, you go off in all directions without handling it in it's simplicity which is easier and not as boring as your 10 hour rants. |
Well welcome to the PDD, Lepanto. I've been doing it for years, so get used to it. I attempt to cover all angles and answer questions as directly as possible so you and anyone else does not misunderstand me. I debate and discuss as I choose - as thoroughly as possible. Sorry.
| quote: | | Yes they shouldn't die and it was for a "bad reason" yet the parents stance is not something I'd expect from a soldier's parents. |
Perhaps not, but they have every right to feel as they do. They feel there was mismanagement at the top, and as Dervish succinctly pointed out, this is the crux of their argument (as is mine). I fail to see any reason why they shouldn't be arguing this valid point.
| quote: | | As I've said earlier I have friends overseas and I know that their parents would not handle the situation like this. And I'm from a "liberal enclave NYC" not from Bumble, Ohio if that's what you might be thinking. |
I don't think that at all. If anyone's from a Bumble location it's me here in Kansas. I too have friends and friends' loved ones overseas, and I don't know how they'd handle the situation if God forbid they pass away. I'm not their parents or loved ones, so I really don't know. But I'm not going to take away their feelings of anger and emotion. Much of it is part of the natural process of grief, which I pointed out at the very beginning.
Still, this parent has what I believe a valid point about the policy that put his son at a much greater risk than necessary. As of yet I see no valid reason why his points made about mismanagement and current status of our rationale for being there are incorrect. |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
A Life, Wasted |
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Edir: BTW Lepanto your replies are pathetic and you suck as ususal. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
Opus again, you go off in all directions without handling it in it's simplicity which is easier and not as boring as your 10 hour rants.
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Well it looks to me like he's very on topic as he references each specific argument that he's rebutting and addresses each of the questions you posed. It doesn't get much simpler than that. If you feel like he's not, than why don't you post logical refutations to his specific arguments. Here's a good list of fallacies so you can tell him exactly where he went wrong:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
If you're too lazy to properly respond to his arguments, and you're simply looking for a soapbox to present unchallenged assertations than I'm afraid you've come to the wrong place. Is there any specific point that you raised that MisterOpus is guilty of strawmanning, red herring(ing), used a false dilemma fallacy, etc., in his rebuttal? Why don't you back up your argument and your responses? I've gotten in dozens of debates with MisterOpus, and not once did a debate become unreasonable to argue. |
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