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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamen DJ's
1) As for the separation movement, I think the best solution would be to remind Quebec that if they separate, yes they would be their own country but they would loose ALL benefits to being part of Canada. They would loose their health care, and they would have to find their own trading partners, and be responsible for their own economic wealth or lack of. I think alot of seperatist dont realize the difficulty of becoming their own country, and that the Balcanization of Canada wouldn't benefit anyone, especially themselves. The Separatist movement didn't start with Adscam and I really dont think the Conservatives handled the issue very well in the 1980s either. |
come again??? health care? we pay our own health care, you have no idea what you're talking about.... shush.
maybe you don't realize how the adscam has galvanized people in Quebec because you don't live there... it is a big mess and people were very shocked, scandalized... in the ROC, its coverage came nowhere close to the coverage with had here, partly because people don't care. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamen DJ's
From what I've seen in Canada
Conservatives - Represents large corperations & religious right
Liberals - Not perfect but represent the mainstream
NDP - Left of center
Quebecois - Represents interest of Quebec, and only Quebec. |
Close but more like:
Conservatives - Small businesses, entrepreneurship, right of center.
Liberals - Big business, tries to be center but mostly left of center.
NDP - Unions, lobby firms, left of center.
Bloc - You pretty much hit the nail on the head, Quebec and that's about it. |
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| Matt |
| I'd pin the Liberals more right of centre, but more centre than right. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Matt
I'd pin the Liberals more right of centre, but more centre than right. |
no way...
liberals are definately left wing
You cant say the party of trudeau and the one that is now proposing a national scoailized daycare nightmare isnt socialist itself. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Matt
I'd pin the Liberals more right of centre, but more centre than right. |
Economically speaking, from a pure policy standpoint, the LPC is significantly left of the U.S. Democrats, who are themselves left of centre.
The CPC is still left of centre but much closer to centre. They are still advocating many types of redistributionism (i.e. the daycare handouts), but I really think that is more of an appeasement policy.
On social issues the CPC tends to be more right of centre, and the LPC is mid-left, very close to the NDP.
What you've brought up is actually quite a common misperception. People believe that since the Liberals claim to be the "happy middle" then they are therefore centre on the political scale. But Socialism is almost a "yes-or-no" decision - once you go down that path, it tends to be a slippery slope, as it has been in Canada. 30 years ago the Liberals were centre-ish; since then, they've gradually but consistently slid further and further left on that scale. Honestly, socialized daycare? It doesn't get much more left than that. |
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| Jayx1 |
its interesting how the media largely has reported half the story. Harper has said he has his own income tax plan but the media has largely under reported that fact.
The Libs smell of desperation right now obviously. |
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| malek |
| in Quebec, Harper gets the most support to become PM with 22%, ahead of Martin and Duceppe. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
in Quebec, Harper gets the most support to become PM with 22%, ahead of Martin and Duceppe. |
I remember hearing that Harper is a few percentage points ahead of Martin in Quebec, but isn't the BQ still very far in the lead at 45% or something?
The competition in Quebec is for the federalist votes, which have been going to Harper instead of Martin. At the moment at least, neither of them seem to be any real threat to the Bloc.
It would be very interesting if the Bloc voters turned federalist - apparently the CPC does have a very strong candidate (Lawrence Cannon) there who agreed to debate Duceppe in French on public TV, or something to that effect. Actually, it's funny that RJ claims that the CPC is playing favourites with the separatists, when in actuality they are really trying hard to sway the Quebec votes. |
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| poli |
| the conservatives are sneaks...they are using liberal fraud in the same way bush used 9/11 to win the election.... |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by poli
the conservatives are sneaks... |
No. Evidence or STFU.
| quote: | | they are using liberal fraud in the same way bush used 9/11 to win the election.... |
I hardly see how Bush "used" 9/11 to win the election when 9/11 happened after he was elected. Unless you're talking about the 2004 election, in which case I can't possibly see how 9/11 had anything to do with the outcome. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by poli
the conservatives are sneaks...they are using liberal fraud in the same way bush used 9/11 to win the election.... |
Wait...I have to go get my tinfoil hat... :p
k....do tell....:wtf: |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
I remember hearing that Harper is a few percentage points ahead of Martin in Quebec, but isn't the BQ still very far in the lead at 45% or something?
The competition in Quebec is for the federalist votes, which have been going to Harper instead of Martin. At the moment at least, neither of them seem to be any real threat to the Bloc.
It would be very interesting if the Bloc voters turned federalist - apparently the CPC does have a very strong candidate (Lawrence Cannon) there who agreed to debate Duceppe in French on public TV, or something to that effect. Actually, it's funny that RJ claims that the CPC is playing favourites with the separatists, when in actuality they are really trying hard to sway the Quebec votes. |
the question asked in the poll, "which politician would you trust the most as a PM" and Harper came ahead of both Duceppe and Martin.
You would be surprised to know that many frustrated federalists are voting for the Bloc, that includes anglophones and immigrants.
And that the party that the most to loose to the Conservatives, is the Bloc because the Conservatives are offering Quebec an alternative. If the conservatives respect their promess of reducing the fiscal imbalance and a better place for Quebec in the federation, then separation will be a thing of the past... lets wait and see, Harper was against Meech after all. |
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