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Political Debate jan 9 (pg. 13)
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| DigiNut |
Incidentally, did anyone catch Harper's off-the-cuff comment in the debate about believing that the Charter should include property rights?
It's not in their policy, nor do I think they'd have much luck actually passing that kind of amendment, but at least it shows that this guy is on the right track! |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Incidentally, did anyone catch Harper's off-the-cuff comment in the debate about believing that the Charter should include property rights?
It's not in their policy, nor do I think they'd have much luck actually passing that kind of amendment, but at least it shows that this guy is on the right track! |
Beats the hell out of the Emminent Domian in the States!
That's just down right scary... :nervous: |
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| Wyndham |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
Let's start an Aurora TA posse! |
I'm in newmarket.....close enough though |
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| Spam |
AMbercrombie, why all the bashing of candidates with a 'mere' High School diploma?
Are you so naive as to think that the level of one's education is the only important credential a person has? I'm a high school drop-out, I'll openly admit it, but I CHALLENGE you to find me a job that I won't excell at within 6 months, given proper training.
Western Society's upholding of education and wealth as the be-all, end-all of a person's value is a sad representation of how much society really HAS deteriorated since 'the good ol' days". It used to be that one's integrity, loyalty, and sense of work ethic (not to be confused with the 'work' that schools dole out all in the name of 'preparing you for the real world') were qualities by which others rated a man (or woman :rolleyes:). Now it's all about his (their?) PhD and the millions of dollars sitting in his (or her) bank account. It's ridiculous. It's why we end up with dolts like Paul Martin in the PM office to begin with! Don't get me wrong, education is a GREAT thing, but only to a point, and certainly not to the extent that our current society upholds it.
No wonder voters don't think these guys get it, they DON'T! Not a single one of them has ever had to actually LIVE in this country, they're all born into money, and are so busy trying to fix GLOBAL problems like the environment and world peace. Or trivial matters like banning pitbulls or creating anti-smoking legislation. Only the conservatives are ready to deal with problems that actually MATTER to your average Canadian, but in recent history, it seems all we've had in office are these crazy Liberal hippies, and they've got everyone fooled into thinking that things such as public health care (and, for that matter, socialism) actually works.
The Liberal agenda is GREAT, it's absolutely FANTASTIC. In theory. In REALITY, it's run by corrupt politicians who are desperate for power and (imagine this) our money. Our money, that they repeatedly spend to their own personal gains as if the electorat is stupid and will let them get away with it. The part that REALLY disturbs me, is that the electorat IS stupid, and DOES let them get away with it, every time they say "Hey, Paul Martin and the Liberals stole and wasted billions of dollars of our tax money, only kept about 10% of their promises, pissed off the Americans, didn't scrap the GST 12 years ago when they said they would, and, oh yeah, told me what kind of dog I'm allowed to own, but I love those guys, they REALLY care about values that matter to me, besides, I just don't TRUST that Harper guy." I don't understand that thought-process.
And this is all coming from someone who used to be a staunch Liberal supporter, until I grew up, and I realized that none of their IDEAS actually WORK (Look no further than our floundering health-system and our useless Gun Registry, and to think, they want to start up a social program to help raise our kids?!!!?!!!?!??)! I, for one, will be absolutely ecstatic on the 23rd, when the Liberals are finally removed from office.
I realize that the above post is very disorganized, but since this is just a public forum, and I'm a little pressed for time, I'm just letting some thoughts spill out. |
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| Abercrombie |
| I applaud your rant, Spam. I've basically given up too.. No decent candidates in my riding, and I'm left to pick one out of the worst. If Frank Klees (Conservative, ooooo shocking to you supporters, isn't it!) was running up here, he'd likely get my vote. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
I applaud your rant, Spam. I've basically given up too.. No decent candidates in my riding, and I'm left to pick one out of the worst. If Frank Klees (Conservative, ooooo shocking to you supporters, isn't it!) was running up here, he'd likely get my vote. |
ive met frank klees. Nice guy. Very good (and radical) ideas too. He's too radical for canada though even though his ideas would be really good for us.
And honestly, if dorian baxter wasnt pretty much a rhino party candidate, hed have a good shot. (if he cut the sideburns LOL) I listened to him debate and he's got a pretty good head on his shoulders. |
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| EvilTree |
| +1 to Spam's post |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
I applaud your rant, Spam. I've basically given up too.. No decent candidates in my riding, and I'm left to pick one out of the worst. If Frank Klees (Conservative, ooooo shocking to you supporters, isn't it!) was running up here, he'd likely get my vote. |
I applaud the fact that you still do your best to keep informed and vote based on what you believe to be the best decision for yourself and, perhaps, your country. But I really don't see how Belinda Stronach could do anything to garner your support.
If you ignore the fact that she's a Liberal and I really don't like them right now, what you STILL have is a backstabbing rookie who makes political decisions solely for her own personal gain (wow... maybe it wasn't such a bad thing she switched, she fits in SO WELL).
I don't know about your other choices, as I live in a riding where my choices are Whajid Khan and Rupinder Brar. I don't know anything about these guys, except that when Khan calls my house, I can't understand him, and what party they belong to. But, I've decided this time around to vote for the party I believe will be best for Canada at this time. And in my mind, it's the Conservatives. Based mainly on two things.
Although I like the ideas and ideoligies behind Liberal policy, I'm becoming increasingly skeptical of whether or not their grand social programs can ACTUALLY work, and I'm getting more and more tired of Liberal agendas intruding on my, and other's personal lives (what dogs we can own, where we can smoke *not a smoker btw... of cigarettes*, what type of firearm we're allowed to own *don't want a gun, but respect other's rights to it*) as well as the waste of money many of their policies become as a result of administrative costs (paperwork rather than actual results, Such as the Gun Registry). I like that the Tories are willing to cut social programs, because I believe it forces those in charge of expendatures in those programs to become more creative and learn to spend more efficiently. The current Liberal strategy of "Lets spend 32982398563 Billion dollars over 32982398563 years to fix Problem X" results in giant black holes of fiscal waste. The major result from more money being thrown at these problems is faster paperwork, and hefty raises to the corresponding employees of whatever union is in control of whatever institution they are trying to fix, be it health-care, education or whatever. Although seemingly uncaring, Tory cuts can actually be a blessing because, as I've said, it FORCES these institutions to budget properly.
The problem is, instead, they just whine and cry to the newspapers about how 'underfunded' they are, and the media eats it up because it sells. The Government is then held under increasing public pressure to spend more on said problem instead of working on SOLUTIONS (and then, the NDP, which is basically Liberal to the power of 3, gain support).
That being said, Harper continually says (in response to people complaining about him cutting this or that social program, that aboriginal deal, for instance, or the kyoto accord) that he believes there are better SOLUTIONS and that he wants to work with said institutions to fix the problem. This is how I believe problems should be solved, not just by throwing billions of dollars at them, but by truly attempting to work out the kinks CAUSING the problems to begin with.
Last election, Paul Martin spat out all sorts of this type of rhetoric, and I gave him the benefit of the doubt. He did a good job as finance minister under Jean Chretien, and leading up to the election he had the sponsorship scandal to deal with and never really had a chance to govern. He's had his chance now, and in my mind, he's failed miserably. His constant non-action on a seemingly never-ending list of issues he said he'd fix has completely outraged me.
Combine that with my more recent learning of many conservative theories (as in, WHY they want to do things the way they do) and it's made a conservative out of me if, or until THEY screw it up.
In all honesty I believe that a regular change of Government is what's best for a country, and democracy. I think that after 8-10 years, ANY government will become complacent, corrupt, and will begin to lose sight of their citizen's true interests. 8 years from now you may see me speaking out against the Conservatives and how they've mis-managed the country, but for now, I think it's time they had their chance at Governing once again. |
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| Abercrombie |
You know what, Spam, I'd sincerely vote for you if you were available.
I just don't have choices here. Another example...
  
It's sofa king sad. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
AMbercrombie, why all the bashing of candidates with a 'mere' High School diploma?
Are you so naive as to think that the level of one's education is the only important credential a person has? I'm a high school drop-out, I'll openly admit it, but I CHALLENGE you to find me a job that I won't excell at within 6 months, given proper training.
Western Society's upholding of education and wealth as the be-all, end-all of a person's value is a sad representation of how much society really HAS deteriorated since 'the good ol' days". It used to be that one's integrity, loyalty, and sense of work ethic (not to be confused with the 'work' that schools dole out all in the name of 'preparing you for the real world') were qualities by which others rated a man (or woman :rolleyes:). Now it's all about his (their?) PhD and the millions of dollars sitting in his (or her) bank account. It's ridiculous. It's why we end up with dolts like Paul Martin in the PM office to begin with! Don't get me wrong, education is a GREAT thing, but only to a point, and certainly not to the extent that our current society upholds it.
No wonder voters don't think these guys get it, they DON'T! Not a single one of them has ever had to actually LIVE in this country, they're all born into money, and are so busy trying to fix GLOBAL problems like the environment and world peace. Or trivial matters like banning pitbulls or creating anti-smoking legislation. Only the conservatives are ready to deal with problems that actually MATTER to your average Canadian, but in recent history, it seems all we've had in office are these crazy Liberal hippies, and they've got everyone fooled into thinking that things such as public health care (and, for that matter, socialism) actually works.
The Liberal agenda is GREAT, it's absolutely FANTASTIC. In theory. In REALITY, it's run by corrupt politicians who are desperate for power and (imagine this) our money. Our money, that they repeatedly spend to their own personal gains as if the electorat is stupid and will let them get away with it. The part that REALLY disturbs me, is that the electorat IS stupid, and DOES let them get away with it, every time they say "Hey, Paul Martin and the Liberals stole and wasted billions of dollars of our tax money, only kept about 10% of their promises, pissed off the Americans, didn't scrap the GST 12 years ago when they said they would, and, oh yeah, told me what kind of dog I'm allowed to own, but I love those guys, they REALLY care about values that matter to me, besides, I just don't TRUST that Harper guy." I don't understand that thought-process.
And this is all coming from someone who used to be a staunch Liberal supporter, until I grew up, and I realized that none of their IDEAS actually WORK (Look no further than our floundering health-system and our useless Gun Registry, and to think, they want to start up a social program to help raise our kids?!!!?!!!?!??)! I, for one, will be absolutely ecstatic on the 23rd, when the Liberals are finally removed from office.
I realize that the above post is very disorganized, but since this is just a public forum, and I'm a little pressed for time, I'm just letting some thoughts spill out. |
Makes total sense to me Spam and good on yea!
I'm doing the advanced poll with my wife tonight since she is going to a Harley conference in Texas this weekend (oh what a rough job...) :p |
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| Wyndham |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
You know what, Spam, I'd sincerely vote for you if you were available.
I just don't have choices here.
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No candidate is going to do anything around the newmarket/aurora area anyways, and since u feel you have no choice based on qualifications... why not vote based on the overall party?...thats what im doin, i think voting for the individual is more or less useless in a federal election. |
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