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| sky-evo |
Hey Everyone,
First of all, I currently work for a vendor (can't name any name) which provides an important information / diagnostic information system to many many hospitals within the province and across Canada.
If you saw how money is spent on equipment and how much tax money is wasted around the hospital and useless service call because people refuse to be trained and too lazy to troubleshoot which was taught with the new purchases. You would be agreeing with private healthcare too. Many hospital operates below what you would expect from a hospital but however our goverment have no guideline or perform enough actual audits on how money is spend; Therefore, Our healthcare service always have the need for more fundings, but do we really see a huge huge difference in service. No, many things you would expect in a hospital such as constant improvement in information workflow or network infrastructure to actually improve and shorten the service and wait time is totally not there. I obviously can't provide specific "details" or name hospitals but let's just say when I go to my job I really feel like I assisting in wasting tax payers money which is one of the biggest reasons why I Want to quit.
Sorry if it sounds like I am totally ranting out but it's basiclly how I feel when I go from site to site and compare the difference from a patient/it guy perspective. |
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| Wyndham |
| quote: | Originally posted by sky-evo
Hey Everyone,
First of all, I currently work for a vendor (can't name any name) which provides an important information / diagnostic information system to many many hospitals within the province and across Canada.
If you saw how money is spent on equipment and how much tax money is wasted around the hospital and useless service call because people refuse to be trained and too lazy to troubleshoot which was taught with the new purchases. You would be agreeing with private healthcare too. Many hospital operates below what you would expect from a hospital but however our goverment have no guideline or perform enough actual audits on how money is spend; Therefore, Our healthcare service always have the need for more fundings, but do we really see a huge huge difference in service. No, many things you would expect in a hospital such as constant improvement in information workflow or network infrastructure to actually improve and shorten the service and wait time is totally not there. I obviously can't provide specific "details" or name hospitals but let's just say when I go to my job I really feel like I assisting in wasting tax payers money which is one of the biggest reasons why I Want to quit.
Sorry if it sounds like I am totally ranting out but it's basiclly how I feel when I go from site to site and compare the difference from a patient/it guy perspective. |
so in other words, public health care is a money pit and the more money we toss in to fix it, the more gets wasted. Why aren't the majority of people aware of this? Why do we keep hearing more promises for healthcare, when its just going down the drain? |
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| Ortemy |
| quote: | Originally posted by sky-evo
Hey Everyone,
First of all, I currently work for a vendor (can't name any name) which provides an important information / diagnostic information system to many many hospitals within the province and across Canada.
If you saw how money is spent on equipment and how much tax money is wasted around the hospital and useless service call because people refuse to be trained and too lazy to troubleshoot which was taught with the new purchases. You would be agreeing with private healthcare too. Many hospital operates below what you would expect from a hospital but however our goverment have no guideline or perform enough actual audits on how money is spend; Therefore, Our healthcare service always have the need for more fundings, but do we really see a huge huge difference in service. No, many things you would expect in a hospital such as constant improvement in information workflow or network infrastructure to actually improve and shorten the service and wait time is totally not there. I obviously can't provide specific "details" or name hospitals but let's just say when I go to my job I really feel like I assisting in wasting tax payers money which is one of the biggest reasons why I Want to quit.
Sorry if it sounds like I am totally ranting out but it's basiclly how I feel when I go from site to site and compare the difference from a patient/it guy perspective. |
It's a well-known fact that healthcare money are being wasted. I dont have the actual data, but I read somewhere that in Canada we spend more money per capita on healthcare than in US, but our service is much worse than in US private health care. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ortemy
It's a well-known fact that healthcare money are being wasted. I dont have the actual data, but I read somewhere that in Canada we spend more money per capita on healthcare than in US, but our service is much worse than in US private health care. |
More money is spent per capita on healthcare in the U.S., but the service received is better in the U.S.
Also, many new drugs, treatments, and medical devices are invented in the U.S., whereas Canada hasn't contributed anything to the world in 50 years. |
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| Chiclet |
Hong Kong has a two-tiered system that I hear works pretty well.
Is there a ranking system that we can have a look at? |
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| zoogla |
Cool that everyone here supports this. I may be involved in a financing deal for several private triage centres across Ontario.
Downstairs will be public/private and upstairs is exclusively private in these centres. Doctors are paid $250M. Let's see if it works. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
Doctors are paid $250M. |
Jesus fockon' Christ - tell me you mean $250K? :p |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Jesus fockon' Christ - tell me you mean $250K? :p |
LOL oops, I always use "M" at work instead of "K" LOL!!!!! You're right, it's $250,000. |
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| sky-evo |
I have also worked at the states healthcare system,
the main difference is US healthcare is mainly paid by insurance. the Department that I work @ and with, is the backbone of US hospital (X ray), the huge difference with US healthcare is the faster they cure you, the less insurance money is spent ie both company (hospital and insurance and patients profit) with our system. you go back countless times to do this check that check, ie your basiclly draining our healthcare system, wasting ur own time, but the money the hospital bring in actually heads out to cover the wasted money from other department.
Which is another reason why, if you work in a hospital or goverment operated healthcare facility, you have to try and I DO MEAN TRY, VERY VERY hard just to get fired. Also, I don't know if anyone of u guys are in this industry, but there's MANY MANY incompedent people who gets job at management level who no where qualifys for those position due to polical reasons. For example, how dependable do you think a hospital network is when Their IT department ask me " how can I tell how much free space and memory do I have on this particular server?" Tell me if most of the tools and equpiment today that are full digital rely on a stable network and u just have to go in for a surgery, would you be scared???
Realisticlly speaking, for every 5 hospital I visit only 1 I would actually recommend to others just because I know if I was dying I would only put my life in these people's hand.
On a bit of a fair note, the hospitals operations arn't the only ones to blame. Goverment fundings etc, also contributes to a lot of funds in balance between hospitals. In the more northern part of hospital, where their population is a lot smaller compared to GTA, their budget is fairly close to ours. now explain to me how GTA people pay ontario goverment healthcare system to cover the cost up north which has high end equipment but doesn't get used enough because there isn't that many people??? if you worked to the pace of any hospital in any major city in GTA you can probley do more than 2 person's job up north. I obviously have no statisitcal backing in that comment and it's only based on my personal observation.
Now can you guys see why I wanna get out of this job?? even tho a)I have tons of operttunity to move up 2)chances of getting fired is almost slim to none 3) for where I can be going with this job and this industry it's very easy to be hittng 60k+ (generally) and 80+ with larger guverment unfunding & very good benifits. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| I think we should bring it in. |
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| DigiNut |
Just an interesting tidbit I found:
- Twenty-eight countries have universal access to health care just like Canada does. All but Canada, though, allow either a parallel private system to operate alongside of it, or some form of private involvement to one degree or another.
- At least six of those countries have NO waiting lists.
- Canada often ranks at or near the BOTTOM in terms of delivering good health care outcomes. In every category except one, Canada often ranks near the middle of the pack, but often at or near the very bottom.
- The World Health Organization ranked Canada #30 in terms of the efficient delivery of health to its citizens.
- Canada spends THE MOST of any of those 27 other universal-access countries on their health care system.
- Canada has some private sector involvement now. All doctors are private operators and many clinics—including many abortion clinics interestingly enough—are privately operated clinics that are all publicly-funded. Abortions are taxpayer-funded at private clinics.
- In another well buried survey, Canadians revealed they not only welcome more private involvement, they WANT it.
- Canada is the only nation on the face of the earth that forbids, by law, its citizens from spending their own money which they earned, on their own basic health care and that of their family, except for North Korea and Cuba. We currently have, under the Liberal Party of Canada, a North Korean-style healthcare system.
The Japanese healthcare system, the French, the Swedish system—are all examples of what Canadian healthcare could look like if private enterprise was allowed into our system—and turning our nation’s healthcare system into something resembling theirs—not the American system—is what sensible people like conservatives are talking about and have been for years. Of course, after they talk about it, they’re slammed as if they’re lunatics (and “racists”, etc., somehow) by liberals in politics like Dosanjh and liberal media and liberals all around us. Yet as health minister, Ujjal Dosanjh knows all about the Japanese system. So what is he doing?
(entire article)
Yes, it's one of those awful "conservative" sites with "conservative sources", but seeing as how liberals refuse to do any real research on how well Canadian health care actually works, where else would one go for that information... |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
More money is spent per capita on healthcare in the U.S., but the service received is better in the U.S.
Also, many new drugs, treatments, and medical devices are invented in the U.S., whereas Canada hasn't contributed anything to the world in 50 years. |
oh really?
http://www.apotex.ca/En/AboutApotex...20050314-01.asp
| quote: | Canadian Facility Chosen As One The 5 Finalists For The 2005
Global Award for the "Pharmaceutical Facility of The Year"
The Apotex Inc. Etobicoke Pharmaceutical Expansion Project has been chosen as one of 5 finalists for the 2005 Global Award for “Facility Of The Year” by ISPE (International Society of Pharmaceutical Engineering), INTERPHEX and Pharmaceutical Processing. This premier global award is for manufacturing facilities serving the regulated healthcare industry. The judging panel for this prestigious award is made up of people from the major global pharmaceutical companies. They were looking for a facility project that demonstrated global leadership – one that showcased cutting edge engineering, innovative new technology or advanced applications of existing technology. This award, in its inaugural year, received a total of 28 entries from 12 different countries; the overall winner will be chosen at the end of April in New York City.
“To be recognized by your peers as one of the best in the world is no easy feat. The Etobicoke Facility excels in all areas. When we couldn’t find solutions in the pharmaceutical industry, we went outside to take the best from other industries. This nomination proves Canadians can compete with anyone in the world in technology and engineering”, stated V.P. of Engineering Services, Larry Rock.
In November of 2004, Apotex had announced the completion of a $624 million expansion of four different facilities, the largest in Canadian history. The Etobicoke building was a key component of this expansion and provides Canada the capacity to provide quality generic medicines to the world healthcare market.
Apotex is this country’s largest Canadian-owned pharmaceutical company, headquartered in Ontario with 5,300 employees and 21 facilities. They export 250 medicines to 115 countries with an R&D budget expenditure planned of $1 billion over the next 5 years. |
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