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Harmonic Mixing Question --help-- (pg. 2)
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| Nbrablec9 |
hey it was a good guess.. anyway can soome one explain to me in easy to learn terms how to know which 2 keys make it minor or major.. The harmonic mixing thread is great, but for someone like me its a bit confusing ..
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| Nemesis44 |
Going to bed now, but will get on the case for you tomorrow.
Cheers
Nem |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
Going to bed now, but will get on the case for you tomorrow.
Cheers
Nem |
thats fair. you have been DJing longer than most TAs have been alive [checks other thread]. you must be pretty old, sorry i mean tired :p
| quote: | Originally posted by Nbrablec9
hey it was a good guess.. anyway can soome one explain to me in easy to learn terms how to know which 2 keys make it minor or major.. The harmonic mixing thread is great, but for someone like me its a bit confusing ..
Thanks |
sorry, i cant help you. i dont know what the rules are, i have all the keys + notes you must press written down at home. i tried google for ya but couldnt find the original site. im sure theres a link in the sticky, if you can be bothered. but all (most??) notes are part of both major & minor chords.
just go and find an article or a flash playing keyboard that tells you what the keys are and which notes make up each key. after a while youll pick up the patterns that make each key. hint: there are 12 minor & 12 major keys in dance music (apparently).
you could go HERE for starters so you can learn the names of the chords, and then go look them up to see how they are made up.
but you could also just wait for nem, im sure he has all the answers ;) |
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| Basstard |
| age has finally caught up on the harmonic guru ;) |
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| skot_e |
Check out this treadhttp://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=298275
It is long winded but may help you understand chords, and what major and minor are.
There are a heap of tutorials on this site covering many topics, go through them and pick out what is relevant to you... |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
try this site:
LINK
its a bit more complicated than the one i learnt from, but it should do.
note: leave the chords part selected. dont touch the scale! i got thoroughly lost ;) and just choose between minor & major, dont touch the other ones youll just get confused as i have just now ;)
eventually youll be able to play along with your songs & even work out harmonies by ear. just practice and youll pick it up. infinitely easier than beatmatching imo! |
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| DJ 00 Tommy |
I didnt realy read the whole thread (lazy me)
Try www.pianonanny.com
its very helpfull with piano unless your already a pro. |
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| Nbrablec9 |
| Thanks for the advice , I'll check it out and see what i can make of it .. I might have a few more questions tommorow , as i will be in bed soon, i have to be at work at 8:00 am :( |
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| Spirit5 |
| How accurate is MixShare? I've used it to key tunes and I have no idea if that program is accurately keying my tunes. Considering I don't own a keyboard right now I am lost, but I am still learning to properly beatmatch right now anyways (I haven't been as serious about it as I am starting to be now). When you do key your tunes how do you key tunes with a synth note as the first note that is hard (to me at least) to make out what note it is without having a synth on hand? Like something that sounds really electronic, not more natural sounding like a piano? or can you use the first note in the breakdown of a track as a way to key your tune? |
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| blacknoizybox |
| i, for instance, clearly understood the whole harmonic mixing trick, but i dont feel like digging thru hundreds of my tracks again just to figure out their keys. i prefer the hear-it-yourself method. i feel more comfortable just launching the cued track intro (first 32-64 beat) into the playing track in my headphones and see if it sounds good or not. i think if a little practice will do the job... |
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| Omega_Blue |
OK, i just tried explaining music theory in two paragraphs a second ago. and it didn't work. it's ridiculously hard to try to teach someone basic theory without a keyboard in front of you and the student.
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A KEY is a tonal system consisting of seven notes in a fixed relationship with each other. it is THE BASIS of music theory and is the MOST IMPORTANT part learning to create music, as well as mixing harmonically.
A SCALE is a collection of notes of increasing or decreasing pitch.. determined by a set interval.
An INTERVAL is the difference in pitch between two notes... I.E. there is ONE semitone between C and D (C#).
A SEMITONE is the smallest interval on a keyboard. for example, the white key and the black key directly next to it.
MINOR is a type of SCALE. instead of going into the details, let's just say that MINOR SCALES sound sad, dreary, and tragic.
listen to the harmonic minor scale here
MAJOR is a type of SCALE. instead of going into the details, let's just say that MAJOR SCALES sound happy, uplifting, and pleasing to the ear.
listen to a major scale here
Honestly, MAJOR and MINOR really make very little difference in harmonic mixing. A lot of the times, you can mix a minor track into a major one and vice versa with some interesting results.
THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF HARMONIC MIXING IS KNOWING WHAT KEY YOUR TUNES ARE IN.
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The easiest way to harmonically mix is to find two tracks that have the same KEY at the same BPM. use the list in the forums or figure it out yourself. then mix the two tracks together. Since they both have the same key, their melodies and basslines share the same notes as each other. Because of the similarities between the two, the two tracks almost sound like they were meant for each other.
For example, let's say Three Drives - Greece 2000 is in the key of C at 130BPM. Let's also say that Kamaya Painters - Far From Over is in the key of C at 130BPM. according to the above formula, the tracks will PROBABLY sound good together, because they are both in the key of C.
Now, let's say Greece 2000 is in the key of C at 130BPM. and let's say Narcotik - Blue is in the key of Gb at 130BPM. these two songs PROBABLY wouldn't sound good together, because they aren't in the same key (C & Gb).
there's way more to harmonic mixing than just mixing two tracks of the same key, but i don't want your head to 'splode.
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How do you find the key of a track?? the simple answer is, use your ear, and sooner or later it'll come to you. that's not what you wanted to hear though.
Bust out your keyboard or guitar (make sure it's in standard tuning) and play your favorite track at 0% pitch. once you hear the bassline, listen for the LOWEST SOUNDING recurring note. A lot of the time, the lowest pitched recurring note of a bassline is the root of the key.
Also, USUALLY the FIRST NOTE of the bassline is the ROOT NOTE of the key. Therefore, if the first note of a certain bassline is C.. most likely, the key of the tune is C. so play your piano keys until you hear the same note from the piano as you do from the bassline.
of course, this is not always the case.
for example. play chicane - halcyon at 0% pitch. listen for the bass to come in. you can hear the recurring note occur over and over and over.. so start pressing keys on your piano and listening to hear if the note you're playing on the piano, is the same as the note that the bass is playing in the tune. C#? noooo... to high-pitched. C? still... doesn't sound right. B? nope... A? yeah... that's the same note.
listen to halcyon with a keyboard, finding the key
How about Schiller - Das Glockenspiel (humate remix?) listen for the bassline. listen for that recurring note. start playing random keys and you'll find it. C? no, too high. B? nope.. A? no... even lower. E? yup. it fits with the song.
listen to humate with a keyboard, finding the key
and there you have it. the key for the tune. write it down, lather, rinse and repeat. this is the best i can explain it without talking to you in person. i hope you found the samples helpful. your turn, nem |
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| Omega_Blue |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nbrablec9
another ?- So is the first half the key board minor or somthin -- then the other half major-- or do I just make no sense with this one ?
Thanks,
Nick |
nope..
the keyboard has EVERY single note on it. MAJOR and MINOR are types of scales, which is defined by my previous post above.
For example, C MAJOR scale is all of the white keys from C to C.
C D E F G A B C.
D MAJOR is D E Gb G A B C# D
you know what.. you should just forget about major and minor scales if you're just DJing. realize that major sounds happy, minor sounds sad, and the fact that you'll utilize scales the most if you're producing.
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In my opinion, the best way to key your tracks is to write down the key for all of your songs in one specific BPM, ie key all of your tracks to say, 130BPM. not at 0%. write down what key they're in at that certain pitch, and you'll know which tracks go well together when mixed at the same BPM instead of ing around with trying to transpose them.
for example, let's say..
Greece 2000 @ 130 BPM = C
In Silence @ 130 BPM = C
Cosmic String @ 130 BPM = D#
Aftermath @ 130 BPM = C
95th Street @ 130 BPM = Ab
Messy Textures @ 130 BPM = Fb
Dangerous Music @ 130 BPM = Fb
so with this list, you can reasonably deduct that Greece 2000, In Silence, and Aftermath will all sound good with each other if mixed at the same time (C). You can also reasonably assume that Messy Textures and Dangerous music will sound with each other (Fb). Finally, you can assume that Cosmic String (D#) probably won't sound good with any of these tunes, as well as 95th Street (Ab).
no matter how fast or slow you play the vinyl, these tracks will still sound good with each other. as you slow down the platter to match the two tracks together, they both transpose... yielding the same harmonic equivalent, just a different note name. and who really needs to memorize note names, if you just know that the tracks will sound good with each other?
otherwise, if you key the tunes at their original BPM...
Greece 2000 @ 0% (134BPM) = C#
In Silence @ 0% (140BPM) = Fb
Another Way @ 0% (127BPM) = B
well what key is "another way" at 134 BPM? well, lemme bust out the calculator, the pencil and paper, let me write down the quadratic equation of pi, bring down the 1.... subtract 7 from 18... and... it's too much bull, imo. |
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