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Majority of Americans Support Impeaching Bush Over Wiretapping (pg. 2)
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| ali92 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamen DJ's
The original article stated
90% African Americans favored impeachment
67% Hispanics favor impeachment
70% of those 18 - 29 favored impeachment
Aren't the Republicans worried about these statistics, being an election year. |
They better be... |
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| DJ Kenosis |
| Yeah, we should impeach Bush *after* we impeach him for 1. doing nothing to stop torture of prisoners in Abu Gharib and Guantanamo Bay once that was found out, 2. holding American citizens in prison without being charged indefinitely, and 3. signing off on fiscal policies that will cripple us a generation from now. I wish we could impeach our entire government for that last one...except for McCain. |
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| Shamen DJ's |
I just read in Time Magazine that the s really about to hit the fan with the Abramoff scandel, with a bunch of pictures of George Bush and Abramoff together about to be released to the press. Appearently Time Magazine & several tabloids have tried to get ahold of them. I bet those pictures are worth alot of money. Anyway, I really dont believe the Presidents State of the Union Speech this time will shore up any support for him. Appearently Bushes relationship with
"The Man Who Bought the U.S. Government" was more than we were led to believe.
We were lied to again. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamen DJ's
I just read in Time Magazine that the s really about to hit the fan with the Abramoff scandel, with a bunch of pictures of George Bush and Abramoff together about to be released to the press. Appearently Time Magazine & several tabloids have tried to get ahold of them. I bet those pictures are worth alot of money. Anyway, I really dont believe the Presidents State of the Union Speech this time will shore up any support for him. Appearently Bushes relationship with
"The Man Who Bought the U.S. Government" was more than we were led to believe.
We were lied to again. |
I doubt it'll be that big of a deal to be honest. Bush has admitted to being in pictures with the guy and not remembering him. Call it a stupid argument if you want, but it holds water. Both of my parents have had their pictures taken with George Bush (and Hillary for that matter), and I'd be willing to bet that neither official remembers my parents at all.
The media will try to hype it, but in the end I'll bet you $100 that nothing comes of "George Bush had his picture taken with him!" |
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| occrider |
The media isn't hyping it, the bush administration is hyping it. The only reason why it's in the news is because the administration is refusing to release the pictures. You know, kinda like how the media "hyped" Kerry's refusal to release his war records? And when he did release them (after the election) it turned out to be much ado about nothing? Why the didn't you just release them dumbass??
In a similar fashion this issue is really stupid unless there's a picture of Abramoff handing Bush an envelope full of cash ... just release the stupid ing photos so this non-issue can die.
What IS an issue are the newly released records that reveal that, in 2002, the Bush administration rejected a FISA amendment proposed in congress to make it easier for them to get a warrant because A) Wiretapping through FISA was performing spectacularly as is ... and B) the justice department regarded that amendment, which relaxed FISA's 'probable cause' requirement to a 'reasonable suspicion' requirement, as being unconstitutional. I mean really, just how retarded is this administration???
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In 2002, Justice Department said eavesdropping law working well
BY JONATHAN S. LANDAY
Knight Ridder Newspapers
WASHINGTON - A July 2002 Justice Department statement to a Senate committee appears to contradict several key arguments that the Bush administration is making to defend its eavesdropping on U.S. citizens without court warrants.
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the law governing such operations, was working well, the department said in 2002. A "significant review" would be needed to determine whether FISA's legal requirements for obtaining warrants should be loosened because they hampered counterterrorism efforts, the department said then.
President Bush, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and other top officials now argue that warrantless eavesdropping is necessary in part because complying with the FISA law is too burdensome and impedes the government's ability to rapidly track communications between suspected terrorists.
In its 2002 statement, the Justice Department said it opposed a legislative proposal to change FISA to make it easier to obtain warrants that would allow the super-secret National Security Agency to listen in on communications involving non-U.S. citizens inside the United States.
Today, senior U.S. officials complain that FISA prevents them from doing that.
James A. Baker, the Justice Department's top lawyer on intelligence policy, made the statement before the Senate Intelligence Committee on July 31, 2002. He was laying out the department's position on an amendment to FISA proposed by Sen. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio. The committee rejected DeWine's proposal, leaving FISA intact.
So while Congress chose not to weaken FISA in 2002, today Bush and his allies contend that Congress implicitly gave Bush the authority to evade FISA's requirements when it authorized him to use force in response to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks three days after they occurred - a contention that many lawmakers reject.
Glenn Greenwald, an Internet blogger, first connected the earlier Justice Department statement to the Bush administration's current arguments on his Web log, called Unclaimed Territory.
Baker's 2002 statement drew new attention Wednesday as the White House continued its campaign to justify eavesdropping on Americans who are suspected of being in contact with al-Qaida or other terrorist groups, despite possible violation of FISA.
Bush visited the NSA's sprawling complex at Fort Meade, Md., on Wednesday to deliver a closed-door morale-boosting talk to its workforce.
He later repeated to reporters that the eavesdropping operation was limited to communications in which one participant was outside the United States.
"When terrorist operatives are here in America communicating with someone overseas, we must understand what's going on if we're going to do our job to protect the people," Bush said.
The administration insists that Bush has the legal and constitutional authority to order the NSA program, which began after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. But Democrats and some Republicans contend that Bush may have violated FISA, which governs how the government can monitor international calls and e-mails.
The law requires the government to show a secret federal court that it has "probable cause" to believe that a target for domestic eavesdropping is an agent of a foreign government or involved with a terrorist organization like al-Qaida.
DeWine's bill would have lowered the "probable cause" standard to one of only "reasonable suspicion" for warrants involving foreigners in the country.
Baker said in 2002 that because the "proposed change raises both significant legal and practical issues, the administration at this time is not prepared to support it."
He said that Justice Department lawyers were trying to determine whether the lower standard would pass "constitutional muster."
Baker also said that the Justice Department had "been aggressive in seeking FISA warrants" and that congressional approval of the USA Patriot Act had allowed investigators "to use our expanded FISA tools more effectively to combat terrorist activities."
"It may not be the case that the probable cause standard has caused any difficulties in our ability to seek the FISA warrants we require," he said then.
Brian Roehrkasse, a Justice Department spokesman, said Wednesday that Gonzales stands by the administration's current view that FISA warrant requirements impose "additional layers of review" that sacrifice "critical speed and agility."
Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, sent Gonzales a letter detailing a series of pointed questions that he intends to ask during a Feb. 6 hearing into the NSA program's legality.
The letter noted that under FISA, federal authorities can wiretap anyone and then seek a warrant within 72 hours.
Specter said he wanted Gonzales to explain why Bush didn't ask Congress to change FISA to make it easier to conduct surveillance with judicial approval.
He also indicated that Congress could have adjusted the law when it passed the anti-terrorism Patriot Act in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks.
To read Greenwald's posts on the 2002 Justice Department statement, go to http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com
Knight Ridder Newspapers correspondents William Douglas and James Kuhnhenn contributed to this report.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/merc...cs/13712083.htm
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Hahah riiiggghhtt, so while amending FISA to make it easier to get a warrant may not pass "constitutional muster" simply breaking the FISA law in its entirety does!!!
/preaching to the choir I'm sure. At this point Bush apologists are probably going into hibernation mode and weathering out the storm. |
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| DJFreaq |
I really honestly liked the Kentucky student who asked Mr. Bush about Broke Back Mountain...
...granted infantile. But amusing.
Occ, I'm your biggest fan boy now.
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| Shamen DJ's |
I'm still waiting "for oil to pay for the war in Iraq", another Bush lie.
Heres a link www.impeachbush.org |
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| timmyboy2 |
| Even though Americans have civil rights there is a law called the Emergency War Powers Act that says in the event of war the Pres can do almost anything he wants so after 9/11 we were in a state of war and have been ever since |
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| emc^2 |
I would not want to impeach Bush for the fear that... they might actually be able to succeed...
Yes... that's right... think about the alternative...
Bush in the White House is better than Dick in the Oval orfice... erm, I mean Oval Office. |
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| deprivation |
I don't believe the lies of that poll either by those left wing Bush haters. You're stuck with Bush for 3 more years and we'll all hope he doesn't cause too many more problems.
Then we'll have to deal with Hillary after that. Things aren't looking good for us the next 10 years or so. |
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| emc^2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by deprivation
I don't believe the lies of that poll either by those left wing Bush haters. You're stuck with Bush for 3 more years and we'll all hope he doesn't cause too many more problems.
Then we'll have to deal with Hillary after that. Things aren't looking good for us the next 10 years or so. |
Hil??? haahahhah Hi???? hahahahahah Hilar???? buwhahahaahah... hang on. let me catch my breath so I could say the word. Hilar??? ahahahahahahahahah Hilary??????????????
:stongue: :stongue: :stongue: Oh, man, my sides are hurtin' bad. Hilary in the White House??? That's the best joke of the year! buwhahahahahahaha. Stop, stop! I'm crying! Please, don't ever say it again, or I will die laughing!! :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: |
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| Kapedan |
| quote: | Originally posted by emc^2
Hil??? haahahhah Hi???? hahahahahah Hilar???? buwhahahaahah... hang on. let me catch my breath so I could say the word. Hilar??? ahahahahahahahahah Hilary??????????????
:stongue: :stongue: :stongue: Oh, man, my sides are hurtin' bad. Hilary in the White House??? That's the best joke of the year! buwhahahahahahaha. Stop, stop! I'm crying! Please, don't ever say it again, or I will die laughing!! :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: |
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