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| nutsan |
i know this is yet another thread for monitors but well i need some help.
ok well i've been lookin at gettin a pair of monitors for a while now ive been lookinat a few models and after doing a bit of research ive come up with these as my main choices.
KRK RP6 - http://www.dv247.com/invt/22958 i actually ordered these but the order was messed up and order was cancelled, then as i was about to reorder i read somebad reviews on them saying they were quite muddy. :conf:
Samson Rubicon 6A - http://www.dv247.com/invt/28178 these look interesting to me and the ribon tweeters are very appealing. :tongue2 the high ends are supurb but the low end leaves alot to the imagination.
some other monitors that are possibilities are the old faithful alesis M1, TAPCO 5 or M-Audio Bx5A, the ones im most interested are the first ones i mentioned.
and before anyone starts going on about mackies or starts going on about larger drivers, my budget it low around the £300 mark so i am open to ideas but make sure they are in that price range. and with regards to driver size having a big low endwill just cause trouble in my end with frequecies in my room i have sum hd 25s for monitoring the really low end so thats not an issue.
hope some1 out there can shed some light for me and help me make a decision, i suck at DECISIONS! :mad:
Cheers in Advance
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| Diginerd |
The RP6s are actually very good, but really benefit from a sub and good room placement. They can sound awful if not positioned correctly or have to work too hard (ie lots of bass with no sub).
If you can stretch that far, the RP8s represent better long term value. They're also much more forgiving of positioning.
You have to spend much more cash to get better monitors..
As with everything in this arena though you don't really know until you get them home. Make sure you have the option to return whatever you buy so if you get them in your space and don't like them you can try something else. Monitors are highly personal, and what one person lovs another may hate, also what sounds good in one space may sound awful in another.. |
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| nutsan |
are you saying that with experience of using the rp6 or just with what u have heard?
on the note of the rp8s like i said in my first post they are not really viable for my room. too many low frequencies wuld give me more problems than having none. like i say i have ways of monitoring the low frequencies with headphones etc...
thanx anyway i will look into the rp8s.
anyone had any experience with the rubicons, or any of the other ones ive listed? im reli intrieged to get some more first hand reviews on them.
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| dudes |
Nutsan, althought you sucks at decissions, it really depends on you!
For example, you talk that you use headphones for listening low frequencies. My question is why? And overall which headphones do you use for that? And also let me tell you that no headphones will give you the same sound as a pair of monitors like the previous named.
So, what everyone looks in a pair of monitors is a plane sound. Plane not always means "best". Indeed, some monitores bump at mid & high frequencies making a coloured - and better for our ears - sound. So once your tracks are mastered, listening in other systems you will notice a lack of sound where your monitors bumped it. Generally, a plane sound would go from 20 Hz to 20Khz. Really, it goes from around 25-30 Hz to 16 Khz (usually a person cant listen over that, except some kids and people with a very very good audition). Even vinyl cant grab frecuencies so high (it cant go over 20 Khz).
Based in the Spectrum we SHOULD have (20-30 Hz to 16-20 KHz) it all depends of the amount of low frequencies you dont want.
| quote: | | too many low frequencies would give me more problems than having none |
This is a list of worth getting monitors with their response:
GENELEC 8020: 65 hz to 20 Khz
YAMAHA MSP3 : 65 hz to 22 Khz
M-AUDIO BX5 : 56 hz to 22 Khz
GENELEC 8030: 55 hz to 20 Khz
MACKIE HR624: 52 hz to 20 Khz
KRK RP6 : 50 hz to 20 Khz
KRK RP8 : 45 hz to 20 Khz
ALESIS MKII : 45 hz to 22 Khz
EVENT TR6 : 45 hz to 20 Khz
GENELEC 8040 : 45 hz to 20 Khz
MACKIE HR824 : 42 hz to 22 Khz
EVENT TR8 : 35 hz to 20 Khz
GENELEC 8050 : 35 hz to 20 Khz.
Nutsan : choose how many low frequencies want to miss and check prices for them, none of the listed above will dissapoint you. And some of them are in your price range.
For the rest (nutsan too):Basically you should add a subwofeer to any of the above posted. However, most of the time you wouldnt need them with a <45 Hz monitor. There are subwoofers starting 600 € that offers responses from 25 hz to 85 hz (Genelec 7050 B).
Many other monitors should be listed above but i have not checked them. But, trust me, after listening a Genelec 8040A you wouldnt need to check anymore.
Just and advice of a profesional setup. Sasha, in an interview when he did Involver, said they used a pair of M-audio Bx5 and then a Genelec 1031(47 hz - 22 Khz) with subwoofer. So they worked with the M-Audio and then worked in the low frequencies with the Genelecs ( he also owns a 1037A : 35 hz 20 khz).
Just to clear one thing : the M-Audio Bx5 can be found for 250 € and a pair of Genelec 8030A for 800 €. They have similar response but if you have the chance to check them together in a shop you will understand why that price difference. My advice is to get a pair of Genelec 8030A and in a near future add a subwoofer to it (7050B for 600 €). If you prefer going for the 8040A (1300€) you still be missing from 25 hz to 45 hz and will cost you almost the same (100 € less) than the 8030A plus the 7050B subwoofer (1400 € in total).
The cheapest way is to use a headphone as nutsat for the low frequencies but will never be the same as having a subwoofer.
I hope to not have bored you a lot, maybe i had some typo copying the frequencies range so check them please! |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
That'ss cleared that up then lol.
Belive you missed mr nutsan's point by a country mile however. Some sound advice mind...
Excuse the pun.
lol |
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| nutsan |
mr dudes i notice u quoted a small portion of my post. did u fail to read the rest?
u ask me wot headphones i use i tell you in my first post.
i ask ppl not to give suggestions of monitors over my budget.
i give my reasons for having smaller drivers.
you seem to of ignored all of wot i said. a sub in the room i produce in wuld be more of a pain than help. thats y i want to keep the drivers smaller. low frequencies can destroy a mix in a room thats not suited to them, so using headphones to monitor them where they will be more controlled is a better option for me.
all u seem to of done is list aload of monitors that i cant afford. and give me frequency ranges that u can get off any website.
please in future read what ive written before u post athings are nothing to do with what i asked for. i asked for first hand reviews.
anyone got any useful information?
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| dudes |
I am just trying to help, if is not what he wanted is as easy as not read my post. I own the hd25-13 too and the Akg141 studio headphones and none of them can be used to master (for my personal experience).
Is not possible to tell him what to buy without knowing which frequencie respone is searching.
The rest information goes for the new people searching for a pair of monitors. |
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| nutsan |
to be honest mate u culd never properly master a tune at home anyway. at least in a headfone u have a controlled environment where u dont get frequecies bouncing everywhere just like u wuld with a pairs of moniters and sub blasting out into a room with no acoustic treatment. u wuldnt reap the benefit of monitors and wuld probably cause more damage to the mix that monitoring with headphones.
and again i stress im looking for FIRST HAND REVIEWS. not what things say on paper PLEASE?
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
While I am sure your intentions were all good. You answered exactly what he didn't want to know.
There is no such headphones as the HD25-13's and you've listed just about every monitor apart from the ones he is after.
As for new producers after monitors there is like a million other threads you can add stuff too. But for a specific question about 2 different monitors all you have done realy is buggered up the post.
BUT the advice you did give was useful, just not here.
*EDIT* My mistake, there are hd25-13's.
oops! |
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| dudes |
Hey Nutsan, dont think i am bored enough to come here and write such a big post. Overall when i have not written in this boards for at least the last year. Do you think i come here and copy-paste some frequencie ranges to seem cooler or something? I am just trying to help, if thats not the case ignore me but dont answer me in that way when i wasted my time trying to help you. If i asked for the headphones is cause i own them too and cant trust that you use them to have a reference in low frequencies when those headphones bump everything (as are dj headphones). And if i miss anything else is not cause i dint read your post, is cause my english is not very good. Now read my post carefully and you will find that some of those monitors are in your price range and also i compared some that you listed in your previous posts like the alesis or the M-audio with others i thought you would be interested. And the frequencies range i wrote is about your need in getting a pair of monitors with not low frequencies. And if you read it again you will see that part of my post is not for you but for the rest of people interested in what i wrote. Nothing else, seriously this board starts to suck.
You know what i should have done? Answer you to do a search cause there are like 1000000 post about monitors. But instead of that i try to help you and i get your irony for it. Good luck. |
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| nutsan |
you're totally missing the point tho.
i asked for reviews on the speakers i spoke about at the start, not what are the frequency responces for every monitor there is on sale.
ive selected the speakers im interested in, the ones i listed and its those i want peoples opinions on.
if i'd of asked i dunno what monitors to buy , i have an unlimited budget please someone tell me what to get, you prob still wouldn't of answered my question.
so PLEASE unless u cant tell me about any of the monitors i've listed with first hand experience, theres not much else to say.
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| dudes |
| quote: | | and before anyone starts going on about mackies or starts going on about larger drivers, my budget it low around the £300 mark so i am open to ideas but make sure they are in that price range. and with regards to driver size having a big low endwill just cause trouble in my end with frequecies in my room i have sum hd 25s for monitoring the really low end so thats not an issue. |
Then you could have just not posted that phrase and i would have not written anything. And:
I have not missed the point, just you seem to not know what you write. You were open for ideas right? And many of those are in your price range. Whats wrong then?
If you think those are all the speakers on sale you dont know too much. I just talked of those that I HAVE CHECKED-USED.
The post has a previous comment for everyone, then a paragraph for you and the rest for everyone interested.
And yes, yesterday i was able to check a pair of Krk RP6 and RP8 and compare them with a M-Audio BX5, genelecs 8030 and 8040 and 2 Samsom monitors which name i cant remember now. And i already did my advice in what to get in my first post.
You are correct, there is nothing else to say except that you have just arrived to this forums and i dont think you will make much friends. Overall within those that try to help you and - maybe - are wrong. |
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