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Carnivore (security or just a worm?)
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| hypronix |
After the September 11 attack, FBI has obtained the permission of using the Cranivore "program" (which is more of a web-worm) on ISPs US-wide in order to filter mail, chats etc.
This program can be used in any ISPs that the feds consider might have suspects as users... no court order or warrant must be available...
As U can imagine, people are and are not okay w/ it... it means Ur mail is being read and so forth... e-business from home might drop, resulting in the poor use of the computer.. of course, these are just some points... read at www.pcworld.com (browse around cuz I read in the magazine) for further details...
oh, the ppl that saw Swordfish might recognize the name.. yeah, that's what the hacker was talking about
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| torontotrance |
| If you have nothing to hide then i would not worry about it. After what happened on 9-11.....personally i'm all for carnivore (the fbi's newest weapon vs. computer terrorists). Very powerful little tool, i'm told, can record every keystroke of someone's actions. Anyways in canada, the FBI is not around. We got CSIS and who knows what they are up to. It will interesting to see who gets taken down. |
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| tiesto14 |
I agree with torontotrance...
but i thought Carnivore was a device/program that picked up KEY words or phrases...
like for example every time the word Bomb, White House, Attack or even president George Bush was said on a phone or written on the net that it would grab those key words then the FBI/NSA would be able to then determine where its coming from and if it is a valid threat or even a threat at all...i heard it can be used on the phone also..public phones and private phones as well...maybe i heard wrong..
but people are so concerned about the government using cameras on the streets and progs like carnivore and they say that means the government is digging into their private lives and into their computers, and they say its a violation of their rights and stuff..
i Agree it is a violation...but when u really break it down...if you have nothing to hide whats the big deal if it could save people from an attack ....
Because basically the main thing people are scared about other people finding out about them is the type of PORNOGRAPHY they view or DRUGS they take.....seriosuly think about it...what else would you want to hide from the government???..some people may say finacial records and stuff like that...but get off it...the government alreayd knows everything that concerns that about you...so let them look and delete your porn or just back it up on CD and hide your weed and you will be ok.... |
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| Starfox |
Carnivore is old. Like 1 / 2 years now.
Many Greetings,
f0x |
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| hypronix |
| quote: | Originally posted by Starfox
Carnivore is old. Like 1 / 2 years now.
Many Greetings,
f0x |
Somehow older... it has been developed and tested, and it has been heard about it; but not actually free on the Internet (however it can be suspected that the FBI has had previous such worms on the Internet...)
anyway... in Canada it's somehow "safe" to say we don't have it... tell me how U stop a virus to circulate in a restriction-free area.. this thing doesn't need to "get a root" to haunt U, it's as U have it... anyway...
I am somehow okay with it... tho guess what the hackers look after these days? to enter fbi computers... there's where U can find all the troubles of the world...
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| lMIlk |
| it doesn't matter much to me, i'm not a terrorist. i'm just a 16 year old boy looking at loads of porn |
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| hypronix |
| quote: | Originally posted by lMIlk
it doesn't matter much to me, i'm not a terrorist. i'm just a 16 year old boy looking at loads of porn |
yeah, we should start a group, something...
now 4 real... I don't have anything eithet... but one example (might seem off the hook a lil : if someone tries to steal from U, and U don't have any money, does it yet feel rite? no prejudices has been brought, but still.. it's a weird feeling.
I know we R talking about national security here... but better yet... ppl will becoe paranoic
plus, we all have PGP!
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| DJ RozzeR |
Ok lets think logically.
How would you feel if someone was watching everything you do or send online , you would feel worried about who might be watchin or whatever.
How would you feel if Terrorist were planning to kill your family online.
I would rather have option 2 , then having no option at all.
The internet revolution has to develop into a new era , a new world of freedom , HACKERS , CRACKERS , Or whatever, will always be there. as so will murders will be on streets , crime cant be stopped but it can be kept to a safe level. |
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| DJ RozzeR |
July 24, 2000
Mr. Brian Gallagher
Editor of the Editorial Page
USA Today
1000 Wilson Blvd.
Arlington, VA 22229
Dear Mr. Gallagher:
In response to today's editorial about "Carnivore," again let's get the facts correct.
USA Today rightly points out that "law enforcement agencies cannot operate without ways to monitor the modern communications tools of criminals" but then questions who should ensure that privacy is properly protected. The simple answer is the same as it has been for over 30 years--federal judges. All of the federal criminal and civil sanctions and judicial oversight that apply to wiretapping and have effectively protected those not the target of a court order apply to the use of Carnivore to intercept the e-mails of criminals.
Unlike as the editorial reflects, however, Carnivore does not snoop through every Internet communication, does not spit out everyone's e-mail, and is not an unrestrained Internet wiretap. Court orders authorizing the intercept of criminals' e-mails come only after rigorous review and the conclusion that there is probable cause that a crime is being or has been committed, the e-mails are about or in furtherance of that crime and the intercept is necessary to gather evidence about the crime. The orders are specific as to whom and what can be intercepted and then the courts supervise the interception to ensure compliance. Evading those court orders is a serious crime which would, of course, produce absolutely nothing of evidentiary value.
Finally, the editorial says the "Bureau won't answer even the most basic questions about whom the technology targets and how it protects the privacy of innocent users." Contrary to that assertion, however, the FBI has shown the system to and answered these questions for dozens of people on Capitol Hill and over 30 reporters representing 25 media outlets. USA Today, of course, was invited and today we are anxious to present it at an open hearing before a congressional subcommittee. We are arranging for an independent review as well.
Sure Carnivore can be controversial and clearly is ill-named. But it is used only pursuant to court order; has been used sparingly, predominantly in terrorism cases, and then only when an Internet Service Provider cannot on its own comply with the court order; and, when used, collects only what the law authorizes and the courts instruct be collected--evidence about serious crime that cannot be otherwise gathered.
Sincerely yours,
John E. Collingwood
Assistant Director
Office of Public and
Congressional Affairs |
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| Tranzmit |
| quote: | Originally posted by hypronix
I am somehow okay with it...
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Are you serious? Carnivore is the latest in a long line of ways that you surrender your privacy and freedom. I don't care who the hell they think i am. It pisses me off royally that i can be monitored from the time i leave home till the time i get to work in the morning. And then you've got bosses monitoring e-mails etc etc.
Is big brother really so far off? Wake up people!!! The entire world is sliding into mediocrity, Bleh!! |
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| DJ_Shockwav |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tranzmit
Are you serious? Carnivore is the latest in a long line of ways that you surrender your privacy and freedom. I don't care who the hell they think i am. It pisses me off royally that i can be monitored from the time i leave home till the time i get to work in the morning. And then you've got bosses monitoring e-mails etc etc.
Is big brother really so far off? Wake up people!!! The entire world is sliding into mediocrity, Bleh!! |
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| hypronix |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tranzmit
Are you serious? Carnivore is the latest in a long line of ways that you surrender your privacy and freedom. I don't care who the hell they think i am. It pisses me off royally that i can be monitored from the time i leave home till the time i get to work in the morning. And then you've got bosses monitoring e-mails etc etc.
Is big brother really so far off? Wake up people!!! The entire world is sliding into mediocrity, Bleh!! |
Dude, I said I am SOMEHOW okay w/ it... not that I am so thrilled about it... damn it!
It is not only a way to surrender Ur privacy (or what's left of it anyway) but Urself as an individual. This is the "hacker-code", that the Internet was made and should stay a free place. The ideal world... but people these days don't respect that.
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