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Death Penalty Alternative (pg. 2)
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| rupert |
the death penalty is wrong, torture is wrong. There is no ifs, buts or maybes about it. The people who kill criminals in the name of Justice are no better than the people they kill.
There were people who did medical experiments on unwilling participants, they were called Nazis. This also happened to black people in the United States where doctors observed the effects of Syphillis without telling the patients there was a cure.
How can killing someone not be called cruel and unusual punishment. |
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| j_spot |
| because its law. Its not cruel(they are given a shot, go to sleep, then die) or unusual (what is unusual about death? Nothing) I think the death penalty should apply to more crimes. It doesnt work as a deterant to crime, which is what it should be. ..if I lived in the stated, I would try to make sure I stayed out of Texas if I was to kill somebody.. |
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| rupert |
its cruel because the people on death row, spend years and years on it not knowing if they are going to get a reprieve, a pardon, whether they will have a succesfull appeal. Its cruel to send 40000 volts of electricity through someone, and if they dont die, to zap them again. Its cruel, most importantly because a fair percentage of people on death row are innocent.
Its happens time and time again in the States where people are sentenced to die but are later found to be innocent through DNA testing.
Its also disproportionately applied to minority groups.
Ifs its not a deterent why use it? To make you or society feel good about itself. What that says is you are killing them not to protect society but for revenge. |
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| Izzy |
ok you said not to get into whether or not i belive in the death penalty but screw it, twas bound to happen anyways
i belive that a criminal should be put to death if and only if two things
1) he has commited a horrendus crime against humanity
2) It is safer for humanity that he is put to death
prime example is "bin laden"
check off #1 because none of us doubt that what he did was unhumane.
check off #2 because if he were put away in prison for life just imagine what might happen. they (his followers) could try to storm into the compound and try to save him (therefore killing more) or worse yet threaten and commit more terrorist acts until he is released.
now these are pretty hard criteria to meet so there would be very few in the history of the world that desreve the death penalty. |
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| tiesto14 |
Personally...i think the death penalty should be delivered to the following types of crime...
1. Murder (except in self defense or by accident)
2. Child Molestation...in EVERY case....this is the sickest form of a crime ever to of exist
But i just think that if we used those people for experiments we would better the world....
Give me 1 reason why a murderer that killed someone in cold blood or a child molester who takes the most innocent humans when they are in their weakest states and then perform sexual acts on them...these criminals are the scum of the earth and any ammendment, commandment, or law should NOT be granted to these people...
the minute they committed these horrific acts they decided that they do not want to live by the rules and order that we have established as humane....they have no purpose on this planet |
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| PsycoEwok |
| My opinion is that the death penalty isn't severe enough. I know it goes against the 8th ammendment and all of that, but it seems to me that making the death penalty as long and horrendous as possible would help crime rates drop. And to add to it, the execution could be shown on closed circuit tv to every prison cell in the compound, so that others can see what will happen to them if they keep doing all the bad stuff they're doing. Just simply putting someone to sleep like you would a pet is just too easy. They won't feel a thing. They most likely don't fear death to begin with, but maybe they would fear all of the extreme pain that they could be subjected to. I personally think that criminals who get the death penalty should die in the worst ways possible, kind of like using them as an example. It's just my little theory, but I believe that would deter crime some if not significantly. Or maybe I'm just a sicko. :p |
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| Glyph |
| Here's a crazy idea. How about (here in the US) you take a state no-one cares about like Kansas or something (jk), or a large portion of one and build a huge inpenetrable wall around it. People who are found guilty of capital crimes are then released inside to do what they want. If they're going to eat, they have to hunt or grow food etc. Basically they can build themselves a new society. Or not. They can choose to kill each other. It doesn't matter. It's humane. It takes them out of society. It gives them a second chance WITHOUT the possibility of once again harming a decent, law abiding citizen. Oh well, just a thought. I'm sure there's a bunch of reasons why it wouldn't work but I think it's a pretty good idea. |
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| PsycoEwok |
| What if they built a new nation inside this area we've given them and they take over the U.S.? :p |
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by rupert
its cruel because the people on death row, spend years and years on it not knowing if they are going to get a reprieve, a pardon, whether they will have a succesfull appeal. Its cruel to send 40000 volts of electricity through someone, and if they dont die, to zap them again. Its cruel, most importantly because a fair percentage of people on death row are innocent.
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That's so true.
QUOTE]Originally posted by tiesto14
In todays day and age we have so many terrible diseases that are so sad to even get into....so why not take these people who have prooven that they can not act civilized in our society by killing/raping or torturing other people and try and find cures through them...it would be a whole lot more beneficial to run experiments on them then it is on a pig or a monkey or a lab rat...they are human beings so we would see the results and how they result....
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Your point is somewhat twisted: If people have shown themselves unfit for taking part in this society, how can we morally justify using them for the benefit of the exact same society?
I'm more with Glyph, except I'll cut down on fence-building expenses, and fly them to Antarctica (more or less the Australia model - which, apart from problems with original inhabitants, have been a success in my eyes).
However something must be flawed in this theory, cause everytime I bring it up around here, people look at me with a smirk on their face. None of them ever tell me what the problem is though:conf: |
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| rupert |
america already has 2 million people in prison or under corrective management. 2 million. Thats insanity. Im sure thats more than the population of many american states. Has it solved any problems? Turning a country into a vast prison.
why do you people want to take criminals out of society. I'm not a murderer and im not a child molester either, that doesnt make me better than them though. They are still human. Who am I to judge them. Its always a soft option to say this or that group is less than human, to make you feel better about yourself. When you dehumanize people you surely travel the road down to Auschwitz.
People who commit violent crimes that endanger society should be imprisoned, not to punish them but to protect society from them.
Respect for Human rights doesnt stop at the law abiding. Osama bin Laden, terrorists, murderers, molesters, etc deserve the same rights under the law as anyone else. When you take away their rights you become no better than them. Some people once said "we believe these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal". They didnt say all white people, all christians, all the law-abiding, "all Men"
The Australia model, shipping people to an island far away. Who were the people they sent here. People who stole a loaf of bread to feed their family because they were poor, Chartists(people who worked to create trade unions, which were illegal in those days) ordinary people like you, like me. Did it solve any problems in England. Not at all. It created new problems here. Being shipped to Australia was not a holiday for those people. |
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| Pjotr G |
about using the death penalty and torturing as a way to "scare off" other potential criminals into not doing any crime....
The US got death penalty (well some states). The netherlands do not. I can't say that here we have chaos and people randomly murdering each other. In fact I dare to say that I enjoy the Netherlands and I think it's a bit safer and crime-less than the states.
So scarin off prolly...don't work. Other measures may be better than medieval practises. |
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| Dmatrox |
| quote: | Originally posted by rupert
america already has 2 million people in prison or under corrective management. 2 million. Thats insanity. Im sure thats more than the population of many american states. Has it solved any problems? Turning a country into a vast prison.
why do you people want to take criminals out of society. I'm not a murderer and im not a child molester either, that doesnt make me better than them though. They are still human. Who am I to judge them. Its always a soft option to say this or that group is less than human, to make you feel better about yourself. When you dehumanize people you surely travel the road down to Auschwitz.
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blah blah blah. I dont understand why some of you are so against the death penalty either than the fact that it is cruel. life is cruel, relationships can be cruel, blah blah blah. You better thank God that this whole world isnt entirely relgious. If so, most of us would be stoned to death. Then the ones who threw stones at us to kill us have committed a crime. Murder. Then they would be stoned to death and so on and so on....
If there is no death penalty control or prison, those who have commited murder, or acts against children etc etc, would be free to commit those crimes in the future! |
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