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9/11 Documentary - WATCH it in here (pg. 8)
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
As for the media, where's their contributions? Why dont they pressure US government to come clean or apologize for their errors (intentional msitakes to be precise). All they have done is supported the US government, and put a scare on people like that anthrax bull. Where's their say in how the freedoms have been taken away from Americans? |
I guess you didn't get your invitation to the Bohemian Club. Don't worry neither have I. |
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| pharos |
"The most effectual means of preventing the perversion of power into tyranny is to illuminate the minds of the people at large,
and more especially to give them knowledge of those facts which history exhibits." - Thomas Jefferson |
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| Magnetonium |
Bravo! Thank you for bringing this to my attention. US Media = CIA = Government. All connected.
Another good example is the Monsanto Corporation ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto ). I remember watching the highlights of the case Steve Wilson and Jane Akre vs. Fox Coporation. Shocking verdict:
"Monsanto and Fox TV Unite to Suppress Journalists' Free Speech"
In 1997, a Tampa, Florida television station, WTVT (a News Corp owned Fox station), reportedly bowed to pressure from Monsanto to suppress an investigative report on the health risks associated with Monsanto's recombinant bovine growth hormone product, Posilac [citation needed]. Posilac is banned in most first-world countries, with the exception of the United States, where it can be found in much of the milk supply. WTVT pressured its reporters, Steve Wilson and Jane Akre, to alter their report, despite evidence that Monsanto had lied about the risks of contaminated milk and infected cattle [citation needed]. The reporters refused to comply, and were eventually fired. Wilson and Akre then sued WTVT in Florida state court, claiming they could not be fired for refusing to do something that they believed to be illegal. In 2000, a Florida jury found in favor of the reporters. However this decision was overturned in 2003 by an appeals court, the court determining that because there was no law prohibiting the television station from requiring its reporters to lie and as such the reporters were not protected by whistleblower status. The reporters' struggle with WTVT is ongoing. The findings in their original report were never directly challenged
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posilac under "Related legal actions".
Some google links I found in addition (interesting views with regards to this shocking case):
http://www.foxbghsuit.com/ <-- a site run by Wilson & Akre and their supporters.
http://www.inmotionmagazine.com/fox.html <-- Monsanto and Fox TV Unite to Suppress Journalists' Free Speech
http://www.projectcensored.org/publ...ns/2005/11.html <-- The Media Can Legally Lie
And many other results:
http://www.google.ca/search?num=20&...suit%22&spell=1 |
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| Magnetonium |
Oh, here's another great info page.
Has anyone wondered how much is the war in Iraq costing America and its average citizen?
Well, see
http://nationalpriorities.org/index...pper&Itemid=182
On that page check out also how the number is compared to the cost of (and how the funds could've been used for):
PRE-SCHOOL KIDS' HEALTH
PUBLIC EDUCATION
COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIPS
PUBLIC HOUSING
WORLD HUNGER
AIDS EPIDEMIC
WORLD IMMUNIZATION
The fascination with Weapons Of Mass Deception is really killing American dream, I suppose ;-) |
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| ogvh5150 |
Good luck trying to convince people that it's all connected.
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
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Hye! Thats actually a good cartoon that shows the average person's reaction to the whole 9/11 and its aftermath stories. And no wonder its getting worse! LOL
Its about time people stood up in America and did something about this instead of counting the coffins of dead soldiers coming back home almost daily. |
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| pharos |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
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In addition somewhere in the background is a guy saying there is a "secondary device". |
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| ogvh5150 |
Anyone thats actually had a torch in their hand and used it would know that slag doesn't form like that.
Somewhere I've seen a plasma torch at the WTC ground zero clean up in a photo with the burner cutting through what looks like at least two inches of steel.
[sarcasm]But jet fuel melted those beams, yessiree, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.[/sarcasm] |
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| jonSun |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Somewhere I've seen a plasma torch at the WTC ground zero clean up in a photo with the burner cutting through what looks like at least two inches of steel.
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I actually own a plasma cutter. Even with that its a bitch to cut through some steel. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonSun
I actually own a plasma cutter. Even with that its a bitch to cut through some steel. |
Thanks! My father was in construction business myself. He hated those plasma cutters because they're so bloody useless! :stongue: A great point to add to the argument that the thick columns of high-grade steel (I think it was MORE than 2 inches thick at WTC, plus 47 columns in each tower) should not have melted EVEN at the 1800 degrees celsius, as many reports suggest that this only weakens the steel by 50%, and requires 3000 degrees centigrade to melt the actual steel! A great analogy is the natural gas stove in your house - natural gas burns at very high temperatures, and it was designed to sustain temperatures of up to 2000 degrees centigrade!!! Yes, I am talking about your own (oldstyle) gas stove! Why doesnt it ever melt?
Plus why would the WTC towers collapse at almost freefall speed? If I throw a penny off the same height, it will land on the ground in 8 seconds. WTC towers collapsed in about 9 seconds each. SO MUCH FOR THE PANCAKE THEORY (the descent should've been slowed down by lower floors) - and I not even talking about why the tower started collapsing from the TOP - the lightest part of the building ...
Oh, this argument can go on forever. But sure, stick to your point - you believe Osama/Al Qaeda/Saddam Hussein/Vladimir Putin/whoever did it, then OK. If you believe government planned it and carried out - my respects to you!!! |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Thanks! My father was in construction business myself. He hated those plasma cutters because they're so bloody useless! :stongue: A great point to add to the argument that the thick columns of high-grade steel (I think it was MORE than 2 inches thick at WTC, plus 47 columns in each tower) should not have melted EVEN at the 1800 degrees celsius, as many reports suggest that this only weakens the steel by 50%, and requires 3000 degrees centigrade to melt the actual steel! A great analogy is the natural gas stove in your house - natural gas burns at very high temperatures, and it was designed to sustain temperatures of up to 2000 degrees centigrade!!! Yes, I am talking about your own (oldstyle) gas stove! Why doesnt it ever melt? |
"Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."
"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.
But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.
"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down.""
| quote: | | Plus why would the WTC towers collapse at almost freefall speed? If I throw a penny off the same height, it will land on the ground in 8 seconds. WTC towers collapsed in about 9 seconds each. SO MUCH FOR THE PANCAKE THEORY (the descent should've been slowed down by lower floors) - and I not even talking about why the tower started collapsing from the TOP - the lightest part of the building ... |
I think you should read this report: http://www.911myths.com/WTCREPORT.pdf
| quote: | | Oh, this argument can go on forever. But sure, stick to your point - you believe Osama/Al Qaeda/Saddam Hussein/Vladimir Putin/whoever did it, then OK. If you believe government planned it and carried out - my respects to you!!! |
What proof do you have that the goverment carried it out? :conf:
I mean really, if you criticize others because they believe in something supported by plenty of facts, but you believe in something just because there is a lack of facts for something else, who's being the stupid then? |
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