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You say "No Holocaust" you goto jail. (pg. 2)
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| tathi |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
exactly. if these laws are what is required to ensure history doesnt repeat itself, then so be it. |
what about the armenian genocide? |
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| paranoik0 |
i don't understand any of this in my simplistic mind. why would anyone think the holocaust didn't exist? you have to be a pretty lunatic conspiracy theorist for that, or either you're just stiring up .
on the other hand, why is it such a holy event that there is even a law against denying it? that doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. why aren't there laws against denying every war where huge amounts of people were slaughtered?
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| quote: | | if these laws are what is required to ensure history doesnt repeat itself, then so be it. |
how does this kind of law give any warranty that genocides won't happen in the future?
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| Dervish |
| I think what basicly happened was he choose to question the existing theory (some would call it fact...). But thats all part of peer review though. It's the duty of these types of people to question and seek proof. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| So free speech is a crime there now, that you can get jailed for. *shakes head* |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
So free speech is a crime there now, that you can get jailed for. *shakes head* |
He should have gone to Denmark :) |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
So free speech is a crime there now, that you can get jailed for. *shakes head* |
hmmmmm, so what would you say laws pertaining to perjury, defamation, libel, yelling \"fire\" in a crowded theatre etc, classify as? ;) |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
hmmmmm, so what would you say laws pertaining to perjury, defamation, libel, yelling \"fire\" in a crowded theatre etc, classify as? ;) |
What does that have to do with freedom of speech? It's bad enough to not have it, but to get jailed for it? :wtf: Ask trancaholic & St_Andrew, I lend out my support to Denmark during the Muhammad cartoons incidident. Does that mean I liked all or some of the cartoons? Free speech is free speech. And once you criminalize saying anything, well, that's a sad day. ;) |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
What does that have to do with freedom of speech? |
how about they are all limitations on freedom of speech? since when does anyone enjoy unlimited freedom of speech? why should there be freedom without responsibility?
whilst jail for this is extreme, find me 1 historian that denies the holocaust that isnt a nazi apologist, an anti semitic bastard, or a race hate peddler. youll find plenty of similarity in the US where hate-crime laws stand toe-to-toe with the 1st amendment. |
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| tamk |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
how about they are all limitations on freedom of speech? since when does anyone enjoy unlimited freedom of speech? why should there be freedom without responsibility?
whilst jail for this is extreme, find me 1 historian that denies the holocaust that isnt a nazi apologist, an anti semetic bastard, or a race hate peddler. youll find plenty of similarity in the US where hate-crime laws stand toe-to-toe with the 1st amendment. |
would be interesting to know how u feel about the protests against the danish cartoons? |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
exactly. if these laws are what is required to ensure history doesnt repeat itself, then so be it. |
In what way is trying to limit people's freedom of speech a way of preventing that history repeats itself?! :conf:
Clearly if they don't have a point no one will listen to it, there is no need to have such laws. In fact, it is against all our basic principles of in society to limit free speech when it comes to opinions like this (who knows, maybe the holocaust didn't happen?).
Anyway, perhaps I should start boycotting austria :p |
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| shaolin_Z |
Dude, the kkk (to my understanding) and other racist writters etc hide behind the 1st Amendment, does that mean I want it to be repealed from the constitution?
Plus, if you read the article, this dude is questioning certain details not denying that the Holocaust ever happened altogether. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by tamk
would be interesting to know how u feel about the protests against the danish cartoons? |
protesting, fine. burning down foreign property, not fine. |
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