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Al Queera and Hamas sittin in a tree...
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| Q5echo |
this is what i've been waiting for. a little solidarity. which brings clarity. in turn bringing more focus the the problem. believe it or not this can be seen as a good thing.
| quote: | March 06, 2006, 8:33 a.m.
The Strip Club
Al Qaeda and Hamas in Gaza.
An interesting war of words has broken out in the Palestinian Authority. In an interview published March 2, Palestinian Authority President Mahmud Abbas stated that he has intelligence information that al Qaeda has set up shop on the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. He calls the information very serious and troubling, and the implication is that al Qaeda was allowed to enter the PA by the local security forces, particularly in Gaza, which the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) controls. Hamas quickly denied that al Qaeda is present in Gaza, but added that if in fact they are there, it is Israel’s fault. Also, they stated that if their group is not treated favorably by the U.S., al Qaeda may just as well be there, to teach us a lesson. Not exactly an unequivocal rejection.
To complicate matters further, as this exchange was taking place al Jazeera ran excerpts from a new videotape from al Qaeda number-two Ayman al Zawahiri, urging Hamas to stick to the radical program. The group should hold firm against U.S. threats of withholding aid until they recognize Israel’s right to exist. Zawahiri counseled instead taking a hard line, rejecting calls for a coalition government and renouncing the “Madrid and Oslo accords, the road map, and other agreements of surrender that violate, and even clash with the Shar'iah [Muslim law].” Zawahiri chastised those in Hamas who might seek compromise for political gain, even if the compromise is only temporary. His alternative? “Well,” he said, “it is the path of the prophets and messengers, the path of da'wah [Islamic call] and jihad; da'wah for the pure faith and jihad in its name until the land is liberated and the Muslim caliphate emerges, God willing.” Meanwhile leaflets were scattered across southern Gaza by “The Army of Jihad and Preventing Corruption” that praised Osama bin Laden and Abu Musab al Zarqawi.
Reports of an al Qaeda presence in Gaza began circulating shortly after the Israeli pullout last August. A group styling itself the Al Qaeda Organization Jihad in Palestine announced its formation on a radical Islamist website in October 2005. The official Hamas Palestinian Forum website also carried the announcement. During Ramadan, the new group published and distributed religious booklets in various Strip mosques. Other reports have al Qaeda recruiting rigorously from disheartened members of the Gaza branch of the Fatah-affiliated al Aqsa Martyr’s Brigade, as well as among Hamas members stewing in Israeli prisons.
Making for Gaza is a natural move for al Qaeda, which has been seeking an Afghanistan-style base of operations since the fall of the Taliban. A sub-sovereign zone like the Strip, run by aggressive radicals, tolerant of criminality, and protected by international agreements, is the perfect outpost to pursue the violent task of erecting God’s Kingdom on Earth. In addition, it will place al Qaeda on the frontlines of the struggle with Israel, the last cause that can generate any significant unity among the Muslim (and especially Arab) world.
In the past, al Qaeda was decidedly unwelcome on that particular front. There were ideological differences; the mainstream Palestinian terror outfits were more nationalist than sectarian. Al Qaeda’s Palestinian co-founder Abdulla Azzam split from the PLO in the early 1970s for that very reason, and his influential work “Defense of Muslim Lands” lays out a no-negotiation, no-compromise program with Israel, the U.S., or anyone else. (Azzam also helped found Hamas before his death from complications of a car bombing in 1989.) But beyond the ideological divide there was also an ego conflict, the clash of the terror divas. Yasser Arafat was synonymous with terrorism for decades. Palestine was his show; no room for a kid from Saudi on that stage.
Bin Laden’s scorn for Arafat was evident in his January 1999 interview with Time magazine, in which he denounced “those who sympathize with the infidels — such as the PLO in Palestine, or the so-called Palestinian Authority — have been trying for tens of years to get back some of their rights. They laid down arms and abandoned what is called ‘violence’ and tried peaceful bargaining.” To no avail, in bin Laden’s opinion. After that, al Qaeda sent annual messages of support to the Palestinians, for example in 2003 stating, “We will continue in the path of jihad; we are still with you; your blood is our blood, your honor is our honor, and your sons are our sons. Your blood will not be wasted; I swear that we will support you until Palestine is Islamic again.” With Arafat gone, Israel withdrawn from Gaza and Hamas in control, means, motive, and opportunity are in perfect alignment.
Some analysts observe that it is in Fatah’s interest, as well as Israel’s, to associate Hamas with al Qaeda, in order to discredit them; they thus seek to discount the potential links, or even al Qaeda presence, as propaganda. But the evidence is slowly mounting that al Qaeda is active in the Palestinian Authority, doing what they have been promising to do for years. It is odd indeed to be arguing which of three terrorist organizations is the most extreme, and how that reflects on the others. Would we somehow think less of Hamas if they were consorting with al Qaeda? The two groups have virtually identical worldviews, programs, and propensities to kill the innocent. We should not think much of Hamas in any case. However, the possibility that the Islamic Resistance Movement is aligning with our principle enemy in the global war on terrorism should give pause to those who, in this country and elsewhere, seek to secure millions of dollars in aid money for the PA. The U.S. and its Coalition partners have spent years developing the tools necessary to disrupt terrorist financing; we should not indirectly become the terrorists’ new state sponsors. |
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| Fir3start3r |
Somehow, I just knew that Isreal pulling out of the Gaza was going to backfire on them.
You give Hamas an inch and they pounced like a fat kid on a smartie, only this time they brought their brother...
I just loooove this...
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Hamas quickly denied that al Qaeda is present in Gaza, but added that if in fact they are there, it is Israel’s fault...
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That's like saying, if there was al Qaeda in Canada, it must be the State's fault...:rolleyes:
Hamas didn't reciprocate in the jesture of good faith set by Isreal and now they respond with,
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...al Qaeda may just as well be there, to teach us a lesson.
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just to make the world feel that much safer and totally discredit themselves with such an apathetic statement...
That's. Just. Great. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
just to make the world feel that much safer and totally discredit themselves with such an apathetic statement... |
what you thought the world was actually safer with Bush and the war on terrorism?:haha: |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
what you thought the world was actually safer with Bush and the war on terrorism?:haha: |
yes. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
what you thought the world was actually safer with Bush and the war on terrorism?:haha: |
Um...yea?!
You do know we live right beside the States right?
So how's that American terrorism here in Canada...? :rolleyes:
Wake up dood... |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
yes. |
Wake up and look around and tell me how Bush is making you feel safe?
everything he does and says turns into disaster as far as I can see. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Um...yea?!
You do know we live right beside the States right?
So how's that American terrorism here in Canada...? :rolleyes:
Wake up dood... |
well actually since Harper is in charge I wouldnt be surprised if we do actually get attacked. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
well actually since Harper is in charge I wouldnt be surprised if we do actually get attacked. |
Huh?
After 12 years of an anti-American government, with cabinet ministers stomping on Bush dolls and calling them bastards, how could it get any worse? :wtf: |
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| Marc Summers |
| Free Palestine! |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Um...yea?!
You do know we live right beside the States right?
So how's that American terrorism here in Canada...? :rolleyes:
Wake up dood... |
How is the world safer?
There is a deeper divide between the west and east. Tensions have built up between the US and the whole world.. and an INCREASE in terrorist attacks abroad has really made the world safe.
Tell that to the victims families who live in Bali, Egypt, Spain, London, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and oh wait.... IRAQ!!!! |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Tell that to the victims families who live in Bali, Egypt, Spain, London, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and oh wait.... IRAQ!!!! |
when did you mean? like in Nov 13 1995 in Saudi Arabia or Jun 25 1996 Saudi Arabia?
was it Jun 14 2002, Nov 12 1997, Nov 19 1995 (Egyptian Embassy), Nov 8 1995 in Pakistan did you mean?
did you think places like Paris and London and Spain were virgins of islamic terror before 2001?
i think it was Al Queera that stated "we have no quams striking at nightclubs and whorehouses inside islamic homelands" after they claimed responsibility for vaporizing 180 people in Bali back in 2002.
when they tried to bring down the WTC in 1993, my guess is they would have killed around 10,000 people that day as opposed to a couple thousand 8 years later. that would have really sucked.
these are real stand-up guys that you two apologize for. seriously. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Wake up and look around and tell me how Bush is making you feel safe?
everything he does and says turns into disaster as far as I can see. |
You must really make your parents proud huh??
please tell me how Bush's ups are worse than having AL Queeras in palastine??
You are so smart..... |
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