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| klago |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
What scandals surround Schumi???? |
1994 Austrailan GP - He took out Damon Hill after hitting the wall damaging his car, the only way he could have won the championship.
1997 Euro GP - Took out JV and was disqualified from the entire season.
Not the least of which was that stunt he pulled at Monaco this year. |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| quote: | Originally posted by klago
1994 Austrailan GP - He took out Damon Hill after hitting the wall damaging his car, the only way he could have won the championship.
1997 Euro GP - Took out JV and was disqualified from the entire season.
Not the least of which was that stunt he pulled at Monaco this year. |
Oh jeez. 1994? That was sooo long ago. And I don't remember the season disqualification....
But still.. 2,3 incidents over so many years of racing is nothing. How many people did Coulthard take out in his career? |
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| English Rachel |
| quote: | Originally posted by klago
1994 Austrailan GP - He took out Damon Hill after hitting the wall damaging his car, the only way he could have won the championship.
1997 Euro GP - Took out JV and was disqualified from the entire season.
Not the least of which was that stunt he pulled at Monaco this year. |
I remember both of these clearly. He has always been an arrogant twat in my eyes, Hill/Schumacher rivalry was when I was very into it...
I also remember Button's debut, bless him, who would have thought he would be a contender now.
That is as far as my knowledge stretches as I have been out of the loop for such a long time..... |
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| xtc totalle |
| and on totally unrelated matter... GO KUBICA |
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| klago |
| quote: | Originally posted by xtc totalle
and on totally unrelated matter... GO KUBICA |
No doubt. That kid is bad fast behind the wheel of a racecar.
DIMA: I don't intend to make light of MS accomplishments. He is, after all, a 7 time world champion including 5 in a row. 90 F1 wins, including 7 in a row. Most poles and most wins from pole. The list goes on and on.
But make no mistake he will not be revered like someone such as Ayrton Senna. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancechaos
despite the fact that im really sad that schumi is putting his helmet on the shelf, im super excited that kimi is going to ferrari, no better replacement IMO. Kimi is a garanteed world champ, him and massa working side by side at ferrari should achieve alot. both very talented young men with great racing careers still ahead of them. as for alonso going to maclaren? that will spice things up as well. the 2007 world championship will be one not to miss for sure.
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I completly agree, and I hope that the Ferrari Dream team stays together for him. Brawn, Todt, and Burn are a dream combo and I hope they can support Kimi the same way they have supported Schumi. A lot of Michael's peers have said that it is not just his speed which allows him to win, but his relentless pursuit of advancement. Todt and Brawn have both said the car is only as fast as it is because he likes to test and give so much input. IMO for any team to be successful they have to test with the right people, and Massa and Kimi are the right people.
Massa has certainly calmed down from his early Sauber days and does not crash nearly as much. I believe his years as a test driver have given him the experience that is needed at a top level team. Kimi just has a natural ability and is damn fast.
I really hope that the rumours of Brawn's subatical are false.
| quote: | Originally posted by klago
But it's all the 'other' stuff he will truly be remembered for.
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Sorry but only people who watch F1 for politics will remember Schumi for the other stuff. Yes, it has damaged his career, but if you like actual racing and speed he will be remembered for his performances.
The guy is human, and when a human being is so good at one thing, they are bound to lack in other areas. What he lost in ethics, he made up in speed, and to me, thats a trade off I am willing to accept as a spectator/fan. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
Oh jeez. 1994? That was sooo long ago. And I don't remember the season disqualification....
But still.. 2,3 incidents over so many years of racing is nothing. How many people did Coulthard take out in his career? |
He had all his points stripped from that year.
Culthard is famous for getting in Schumacher's way during the Belgian 1999/1998(?) GP one year, while Schumi and Mika were battling for the championship.
It was raining, and Culthard had a problem with his car and was limping back to the pits, when Schumacher drove right into the back of him, ending his race. Honestly it was Schumi's fault for driving so recklessly in the rain, while he was trying to catch Mika. Those were the days without traction control, and Schumi was the king of rain, he knew it and was trying to gain extra time. I just remember the camera cutting to Culthard and wack, the two cars colide tires flying, and races are over. |
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| klago |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
Sorry but only people who watch F1 for politics will remember Schumi for the other stuff. Yes, it has damaged his career, but if you like actual racing and speed he will be remembered for his performances. |
I'm sorry but you are way off base with this. Cspan is for politics. I doubt very much people get up at 7:30am to watch Cpsan.
I don't understand how it is possible to separate the two. If it were one isolated incident it would be overlooked by the media and the fans. But that simply is not the case, these occured with regularity throughout his entire career.
For someone who was as dominant as Schumi was, it is not necessary to resort to such tactics, yet he did, and did so repeatedly.
As for your actual race fan comment, I hope that wasn't a shot at me. I doubt very seriously there is anyone on this board who has attended more races of every shape and form imaginable in the flesh than I. If it has 4 wheels and a motor, with the exception of f1, chances are I've watched it somewhere at somepoint. |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| quote: | Originally posted by klago
I'm sorry but you are way off base with this. Cspan is for politics. I doubt very much people get up at 7:30am to watch Cpsan.
I don't understand how it is possible to separate the two. If it were one isolated incident it would be overlooked by the media and the fans. But that simply is not the case, these occured with regularity throughout his entire career.
For someone who was as dominant as Schumi was, it is not necessary to resort to such tactics, yet he did, and did so repeatedly.
As for your actual race fan comment, I hope that wasn't a shot at me. I doubt very seriously there is anyone on this board who has attended more races of every shape and form imaginable in the flesh than I. If it has 4 wheels and a motor, with the exception of f1, chances are I've watched it somewhere at somepoint. |
You brought up 3 incidents over the span of 12 years. That's hardly repeatedly. Secondly, he's not isolated in that - almost everyone in F1 resorted to underhanded tricks one time or another. |
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| trancechaos |
SCHUMACHER'S BEST WINS
So after an incredible career at the very top of motorsport, the most successful Formula 1 driver of all time has decided to call it quits at the end of the season.
When Michael Schumacher gets out of his Ferrari for the final time at the Brazilian Grand Prix on October 22 it will bring the curtain down on a record-breaking career that has seen him rack up an astonishing seven world titles and 90 wins (so far!).
So to mark the momentous annoucement, we at ITV-F1.com have selected what we consider to be Michael's 10 best wins...
1992 Belgium (Benetton)
The first win at the venue that became synonymous with Schumacher’s career.
In just his 18th grand prix, the 23-year-old German showed the awareness of a veteran after spinning off in the wet-dry race.
After rejoining behind team-mate Martin Brundle, he noticed the Briton’s tyres were blistering, so came in for dries and duly won the race ahead of the all-conquering Williams-Renaults.
1995 Belgium (Benetton)
Schumacher qualified in 16th – the lowest position of his career so far –but scythed through the field to amazingly lead the race by lap 15.
However he soon had Damon Hill in the Williams chasing him down on wet tyres as rain began to fall.
It should have been easy pickings for the Briton, as his nemesis was on dries, but Schumacher used some of the most robust defensive tactics ever seen to unbelievably cling on to the lead. Hill eventually got by, but Michael still took the win dealing a huge psychological blow to his rival.
1995 Europe (Benetton)
A brilliant victory at the Nurburgring that summed up his second championship-winning year with Benetton.
In another wet race, Michael came out from his final pit stop 24 seconds behind leader Jean Alesi (Ferrari) with just 16 laps to go.
It would have been game over for most, but not for the German who sensationally reeled in the Frenchman before overtaking around the outside in to the final chicane with only a handful of laps remaining.
1996 Spain (Ferrari)
Arguably Schumacher’s greatest ever win was also his first for Ferrari in torrential rain in Spain.
After dropping from third to ninth at the start, the reigning champion sailed back up through the field picking off the Benettons for third, then second by lap nine before cruising past Jacques Villeneuve for the lead on lap 12.
Three laps later he was 15s clear and in a league of his own. His fastest race lap was 2.2s quicker than anyone else. A truly stunning drive in horrendous conditions.
1997 Monaco (Ferrari)
Of Schumacher’s five Monaco wins this one was undoubtedly the best.
His gamble of switching to an intermediate set-up before the start proved to be an inspired move as rain began to fall on the parade lap.
While many of his rivals (famously Williams) floundered at the start, Michael was again a class apart building up a 7s lead by the end of the first lap alone. He could even afford to lose 10s with a late spin at Ste Devote and still win by almost a minute.
1998 Hungary (Ferrari)
The race where Ross Brawn famously told his star driver that all he had to do to win was build a 25 second lead in just 19 laps before his final pit stop.
As difficult a task as you are likely to get in F1, made harder by the fact that your rivals have the fastest car!
But a nifty switch of strategy and a relentless sequence of qualifying-style laps from the German were enough to take the most unlikely of victories.
2000 Japan (Ferrari)
The win that finally secured Michael that elusive first title for Ferrari came after he edged an intense two day battle with rival Mika Hakkinen.
After piping the Finn in qualifying, Schumacher lost the lead at the start, but matched the McLaren man lap for lap until just before the second round of stops.
A sprinkling of rain then gave Michael the edge and after Hakkinen pitted he put in two stunningly quick laps to pit and hold the lead, ending four years of hurt.
2002 Belgium (Ferrari)
This gets into our top 10 as it emphasises how Schumacher was operating at the peak of his powers in 2002.
With his fifth championship already in the bag some two months before, the German kept on rolling at Spa handing out a driving master class to the field.
After easing to pole, he obliterated everyone in the race, setting a succession of fastest laps from the off – his best at the end a second quicker than team-mate Rubens Barrichello’s and 2s faster than the next non-Ferrari runner.
2003 Austria (Ferrari)
If any of Schumacher's wins demonstrated his ability to bounce back from setbacks it was Austria 2003 – after a fire broke out when his car was getting refuelled in his first pit stop!
Leading the race, he stopped on lap 23 but the side of his car was soon engulfed in flames after a few drops of fuel from the refuelling nozzle dropped onto his hot F2003-GA.
However there was no panic from Michael, who remained unperturbed in the cockpit while the Ferrari mechanics rushed to put the fire out. It cost him the lead and 20 seconds – but Schumacher being Schumacher roared back to win the race.
2004 France (Ferrari)
Another Schumacher-Brawn masterpiece, this time at Magny-Cours midway through Michael’s record-breaking 2004 season.
Running behind emerging star Fernando Alonso in the Renault, Ferrari decided to switch Schumacher from his originally planned three stops to an extraordinary four to try and jump the Spaniard.
In a virtual re-run of his exploits at the Hungaroring some six years before, Schumacher’s unrivalled ability to suddenly up the pace when it matters paid dividends again as he put in a stunning sequence of fast laps in the final two stints of the race to get one over on his future rival. |
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| Cosmic Fur |
Only a few will find the humour in this pic. |
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| pmoisse |
Schu has been an amazing driver for sure. He built the Ferrari team up from a mid-pack also-ran. Power to him.
His legacy will be tarnished by things like running people off the road, and that bull move at Monaco this year.
Monaco. Rascasse Restaurant has been on that damn corner for each and every race that's been run there. For him to say in interviews that he lost it "at that turn with the restaurant...I cannot remember it's name" is horse.
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Anyways, the shootout for the championship should be fun, and next year promises to be exciting as well since the cars won't be revised too much. Lots of new talent, and some veterans that could step up and surprise people here & there. |
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