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| Takkra |
Ive been to various tranceparties and ive listened various trancecd's and listened to dozens of tracks here..
but im getting the feeling that there's nothing new.. something really fresh to be made, (without heading to underground dnb techno'ish music [actually I constantly hear réally new sounds coming from technosets]) trancemusic is made with synths, and kicks.. doesnt matter how you program them.. they all have that feel that makes them feel trance..
makes you wonder if there's nothing new, something élse to create trance with..
I know this shouldnt belong in the productionsection, but I think producers who create can give better answers to the question then crowds who just listen..
thank you for your time :)
(ps: everytime you lose a hair put it under your pillow and the trancefairy will come and exchange it for a trancesong) |
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| Dj Cola |
I think there are some stuff that havent been done.. there's always something that hasnt been tried (wich is hard to believe with experimental)..
i think theres gonna be a new sound that will infect the edm scene again..soon.
otherwise we can just try for some sick synth progging or some sampling ^^ |
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| iloop |
trance is trance because of this 'sound' but what makes certain new songs more appealing or stand out is that special uniqueness or melody or rythmic drive. Trance is all about uplifting, energy, and as i see it, an expression of the beauty of this world.
Yes, its all been done before, but the human ear will always crave new soundstructures, atmospheres, and stories in this kind of music; however, we as a species get comfortable with what we know, and the part of trance that we recognize as trance and will stay the same is 135-143bpm/solid yet punch synth basslines, 4 on the floor beats with builds, amazing pads and atmospheres, along with driving saw leads and melodies... but then again that stands for only one aspect of this genre we call trance. Trance as we've known it since the early 90's has come a long way and broken up into sooo many different branches, each with its own glorifying aspect...
The thing is, to create great trance you need to be in contact with your audience and your inner self. You need to be in current with all the latest trends/tracks, while steping out of the box and thinking of your own sound/melodies/rythms/story...
The way i see it you make trance for 2 different reasons:
1. for the dancefloor, where people listen to the track and it inspires their bodies to reach a euphoric trance state.
2. as art for arts sake, to express yourself through it and give the universe a sound/melody/rythm (whatever you want to call it), a piece of your creation.
So, in conclusion, when composing trance pieces don't be happy with the standard, unless your vision and idea and inspiration was to make the standard trance track. Try to compose something that will be valid and universally apealling infinately.
I bet bach, motzard, beethoveen, vivaldi, chopin, tchaikovsky, ravel, haydn and all the other classical composers thought the same thing... whats something new that there's never been done in classical music?
Music will evolve, just like everything else, and im sure trance will evolve as well, i just hope like every other composer that my productions and compositions will be remembered as something great, something that touched people. |
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| Takkra |
That was nice to read iloop, really nice :)
| quote: | | The thing is, to create great trance you need to be in contact with your audience and your inner self. You need to be in current with all the latest trends/tracks, while steping out of the box and thinking of your own sound/melodies/rythms/story... |
good point
I also think Dj cola's prediction is right too about that particular sound.. Ive got that feeling too.. im getting the same feeling everyone is gonna get bored of 50cent like rnb for the coming 4, 5 years.. and you producers should go produce some naked chicks can shake their asses too.. no im serious..
I totally agree with Iloop about
| quote: | The way i see it you make trance for 2 different reasons:
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Im never happy with the standard either.. but I get the feeling my work doesnt reach the so called "standard".. but that would bring us to "and wtf do you mean with "standard"". lets not start about that.
Nice to hear opinions..
but it still leaves us with the question, how can make something really fresh without "changing" genre |
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| kopi_luwak |
This discussion has became a clitche mate, instead to think: *Trance is too standart*, begin to change the things producing something fresh and original :).
This debate it reminds me of academic music, the same discussion has been on the air during the last years *It is there something new for the music*, we have abused of the Major and minor mods, but honestly this in my opinion is crap, some of the must important and beautiful tunes ever are so simple, we have for example *yesterday* from the beatles, there's nothing new there, all is so tonal, but is considerated one of the must beautiful melodies from the last century.
In my opinion, the issue about standart it is, now anyone can be a producer, you ont need even to play piano to begin to produce, anyone can download warez and begin to produce, alot of producers have less than 17 years old, and when they begin to produce they begin wanting to sound like call it Tiesto, Armin, ATB etc, and very few begin producing with their own style, alot of them only listen to EDM, they dont have a wide musical background and maturity, so then all begins to sound the same and tends to be commercial.
Kopi =o. |
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| iloop |
| quote: | Originally posted by kopi_luwak
now anyone can be a producer, you ont need even to play piano to begin to produce, anyone can download warez and begin to produce, alot of producers have less than 17 years old, and when they begin to produce they begin wanting to sound like call it Tiesto, Armin, ATB etc, and very few begin producing with their own style, alot of them only listen to EDM, they dont have a wide musical background and maturity, so then all begins to sound the same and tends to be commercial.
Kopi =o. |
True, there are so many new producers, but most of the product=crap because of the lack of musical background, not the fact that they want to sound like tiesto or armin or whoever. I hear so many tracks lately that have some nice elements but withought any musicality to it, which will inevitably lead the producer nowhere... it will still be those tracks with briliant melodic form, progression and well structured builds/harmony and soul that will generate a public response no matter if its from tiesto or from you.
So i say, sure- go ahead and try to sound like tiesto, but chances are you won't, and not only that, you won't be pleased with the material... but after a while you will develop that sound into something unique and unlike what you started out copying in the first place... why? because you will add 'you' to it, your heart/soul whatever and if you don't chances are that product will not stand out above the constant bleh...
yes cliche or not, sometimes its good to talk about, especially in a community that tries to build and move forward the sound. |
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| kopi_luwak |
| quote: | Originally posted by iloop
True, there are so many new producers, but most of the product=crap because of the lack of musical background, not the fact that they want to sound like tiesto or armin or whoever. I hear so many tracks lately that have some nice elements but withought any musicality to it, which will inevitably lead the producer nowhere... it will still be those tracks with briliant melodic form, progression and well structured builds/harmony and soul that will generate a public response no matter if its from tiesto or from you.
So i say, sure- go ahead and try to sound like tiesto, but chances are you won't, and not only that, you won't be pleased with the material... but after a while you will develop that sound into something unique and unlike what you started out copying in the first place... why? because you will add 'you' to it, your heart/soul whatever and if you don't chances are that product will not stand out above the constant bleh...
yes cliche or not, sometimes its good to talk about, especially in a community that tries to build and move forward the sound. |
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Dude, sorry, I cannot take your comment serious after this comment you did some weeks ago, I still remembering when you asked me over msg to send demos to the labels where I was signed of your music because you really needed to get signed soon as you told me, unfortunately, none was interested, then you made your pseudo label but since then I knew you was very hypocrital about making music for the love of music as you claim always, and with that comment in your thread then became really obvious, seriously, stop being so hypocrital, we are not eating it, besides, you just said exactly what I said but with other words Catalin.
Kopi =o. |
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| Four_On_Four-er |
Haha!
Now we all know kopi_luwak uses Cubase! snickers
[ducks from the random items thrown in his direction]
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Seriously though... if you feel like trance is "cramping your style" why bother posting? Just enjoy it for what you feel like it is and produce whatever other genre tickles your fancy.
As music, trance is alot like, well, sex. I've never had sex -- hell I've never even danced at ANY occasion (cries years of tears). Sex, from my virgin perspective, seems repetitive, sticks to a closed number of positions, but is still... well... very desireable. Trance is kind of like that... and trance always should have a climax (snickers).
I'm not trying to be vulgar. If this is, I apologize. Only humorous...
| quote: | | Originally by kopi_luwak This debate it reminds me of academic music, the same discussion has been on the air during the last years *It is there something new for the music*, we have abused of the Major and minor mods, but honestly this in my opinion is crap, some of the must important and beautiful tunes ever are so simple, we have for example *yesterday* from the beatles, there's nothing new there, all is so tonal, but is considerated one of the must beautiful melodies from the last century. |
Very true. Simplicity is easier to grab onto. Shakespear said in effect: "There are no new plays... only the actors change." That's true of books/movies... and even true of music. What makes one deny that statement is exactly why we keep on making books, movies, and yes, even trance.
Music used to be far more difficult to get initiated in. Before my parents were concieved, there was no Cubase, no FLStudio, no VSTs. Making music was all tangible, locational, and isolated... very isolated. My point is that making organized audio has become very simple to do in today's computing world. Therefore, people can take things for granted too much -- too many tools and no reflection of inner self. People like me, spending too much time babbling instead of playing their keyboard (runs away)...
PS - about my dancing comment, yes, I've never heard trance in a club. |
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| R.j. |
| quote: | Originally posted by kopi_luwak
then you made your pseudo label |
ok here's a noob-ish question:
what is a pseudo label?:nervous: |
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| kopi_luwak |
| quote: | Originally posted by R.j.
ok here's a noob-ish question:
what is a pseudo label?:nervous: |
A not serious label, now there's an invasion of digital labels, some like iloop open their own labels because no one wanted to sign them up, and others open one for the money or for to say *I have a label*, but they lack of alot of things for to be considerated a real label, good distribution, promotion, name, experience ABOVE all, but of course, there are some new labels that are serious and cool, but for every new serious label there are 9 pseudo labels.
In my opinion for to open a label, you need to be very experienced in the business, I mean, at least to have been signed to some serious labels in the past, to have a name, released alot of tunes, otherwise I consider them pseudo or wannabe labels, not offense.
Kopi =o. |
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| kopi_luwak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Four_On_Four-er
Haha!
Now we all know kopi_luwak uses Cubase! snickers
[ducks from the random items thrown in his direction]
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Seriously though... if you feel like trance is "cramping your style" why bother posting? Just enjoy it for what you feel like it is and produce whatever other genre tickles your fancy.
As music, trance is alot like, well, sex. I've never had sex -- hell I've never even danced at ANY occasion (cries years of tears). Sex, from my virgin perspective, seems repetitive, sticks to a closed number of positions, but is still... well... very desireable. Trance is kind of like that... and trance always should have a climax (snickers).
I'm not trying to be vulgar. If this is, I apologize. Only humorous...
Very true. Simplicity is easier to grab onto. Shakespear said in effect: "There are no new plays... only the actors change." That's true of books/movies... and even true of music. What makes one deny that statement is exactly why we keep on making books, movies, and yes, even trance.
Music used to be far more difficult to get initiated in. Before my parents were concieved, there was no Cubase, no FLStudio, no VSTs. Making music was all tangible, locational, and isolated... very isolated. My point is that making organized audio has become very simple to do in today's computing world. Therefore, people can take things for granted too much -- too many tools and no reflection of inner self. People like me, spending too much time babbling instead of playing their keyboard (runs away)...
PS - about my dancing comment, yes, I've never heard trance in a club. |
Exactly :).
Kopi =o. |
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| iloop |
| quote: | Originally posted by kopi_luwak
Dude, sorry, I cannot take your comment serious after this comment you did some weeks ago, I still remembering when you asked me over msg to send demos to the labels where I was signed of your music because you really needed to get signed soon as you told me, unfortunately, none was interested, then you made your pseudo label but since then I knew you was very hypocrital about making music for the love of music as you claim always, and with that comment in your thread then became really obvious, seriously, stop being so hypocrital, we are not eating it, besides, you just said exactly what I said but with other words Catalin.
Kopi =o. |
DOn't take me seriously, why should i give a ?
Yea i did ask you to send my chillout stuff when you told me that your label was looking for some more stuff and that you would also send it to bonzai if I wanted. But i didnt REALLY need to get signed it was a spur of the moment question...
Pseudo label? Its a registered label/company... besides good music is good music, and if it takes starting your own label to expose your music cause the rest of the BIG reasonable labels that could actually gain you the same exposure is flooded with a bunch of ty music then so be it. I happen to be in an unfortunate part of the world and cant be all in every labels face with cd demos that they actually listen to, as oposed to digital demos. Regardless, I wanted to start my own label before i got back from my eurotrip, but if i could get a big label backing me then all the better, but till some record label exec sees my stuff and goes WOW! and i actually agree to their terms and contract then why shouldt i get to the people? What? you think i haven't had label offers yet? most of them were ... I even went to montreal to see label execs, but their demands were not my artistic view... (15% and we own your track, yey! :thepirate )
About the cheeze comment, yea cheeze does sell, and maybe it was a stupid comment, but i like cheezy synth leads, so sue me if im trying to support myself from something i love doing... |
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