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MP3 Downloads (POLL) (pg. 3)
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pettiscool
i think people should make music out of passion and not for the money.
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Using the same logic - you should go to work every day out of passion (and not for the paycheck). |
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| rabbitjoker |
The bottom line is:
- it takes time to make music.
- it takes people to make music.
- it takes equipment to make music.
- it takes resources to make music.
Simply because a person chooses to make their employment in the arts - does not automatically mean they should be exempt from making a living.
People deserve to be paid for work that they do. Nobody deserves to have their work stolen from them, nobody deserves to not be paid for the work that they do. |
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| mindspin |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Using the same logic - you should go to work every day out of passion (and not for the paycheck). |
this is exactly why the majority of music today is of such low quality...artists are no longer passionate about their music and just want to make music as a stepping stone to the oh so desired life of complete financial freedom (aka being rich). |
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| mindspin |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
People deserve to be paid for work that they do. Nobody deserves to have their work stolen from them, nobody deserves to not be paid for the work that they do. |
they need to be paid so they can go buy some grillz? there are certain things out there that i just cannot support, and feel as if i need to do anything in my power to put a stop to such a reckless mockery of hard working inviduals.
there are ppl out there who work 10 times as hard as some of these music artists and struggle just to get by....while all these rockstars who have no idea whatsoever as to the value of a dollar party their money away.
it troubles me....it really does. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by mindspin
this is exactly why the majority of music today is of such low quality...artists are no longer passionate about their music and just want to make music as a stepping stone to the oh so desired life of complete financial freedom (aka being rich). |
What you're saying is: because you don't like (or someone else doesn't like, or even the greater music consuming market doesn't like) an album - the people who worked on the album should have their work (and livelihood) stolen or that it is acceptable to have their work (and livelihood) stolen.
If someone deems an end product to be lacking "quality" or without "passion", the creator should forgo compensation and that the end product should be stolen?
Using your logic, people should steal cell phones and cell service from Bell (reducing your income) because they don't like Bell or because Bell executives "aren't passionate" about cell phone service.
Or how about stealing a painting because "the artist only made it for money! the painter wasn't really passionate about the oil or the canvas or the scene!" Come on! |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by mindspin
there are ppl out there who work 10 times as hard as some of these music artists and struggle just to get by... |
My brother works 15+ hours per day, 7 days a week for months on end for something called "royalties".
When a consumer doesn't spend the $1 on iTunes or buy the CD - he misses out on being compensated for the endless hours he spent in the studio.
NOBODY has the right to rob him and the rest of the people that worked to produce the album from their livelihood. NOBODY. That is plain wrong.
The excuse "I wouldn't have bought the album anyway" is bull. "Officer, I wouldn't have bought the Ferrari F50 anyway, so it was OK for me to steal it, no?". Give me a break.
Thieves are scum, whether it's a tune, a stereo or a car. Stealing is stealing. |
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| Orko |
I think preaching to the EDM crowd, especially the crowd here, is just ignorant. How many people on this board spend loads of money going out to shows, paying cover, paying for drinks, and show support? How many people on this board support the DJs at the very lowest levels? How many people here, save up during the week, or forgo something else in their lives, so they can go out?
I think i would be proud of this group of music lovers, and let them be. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
I think i would be proud of this group of music lovers, and let them be. |
"I love music so much that I steal from the people who create it...".
That's one hell of a "music fan". |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
"I love music so much that I steal from the people who create it...".
That's one hell of a "music fan". |
Nice way of totally disregarding the portion of the statement which actually explains my reasoning.
They are fans because they spend their money on the music. Simple. You cannot take that away from these people.
If downloading a track gets them into the club/show, then I think that is a net gain for the industry. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
If downloading a track gets them into the club/show, then I think that is a net gain for the industry. |
So, if stealing a car gets someone to buy a Molson Indy ticket - then sure... Steal away. After all, they're supporting the auto-industry!
(BTW - artists get next to no compensation for having their track played at a nightclub [compared to a single purchase]). |
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| arek |
mp3s d/l = 912825829343123
mp3s bought = 0 |
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| mindspin |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
What you're saying is: because you don't like (or someone else doesn't like, or even the greater music consuming market doesn't like) an album - the people who worked on the album should have their work (and livelihood) stolen or that it is acceptable to have their work (and livelihood) stolen.
If someone deems an end product to be lacking "quality" or without "passion", the creator should forgo compensation and that the end product should be stolen?
Using your logic, people should steal cell phones and cell service from Bell (reducing your income) because they don't like Bell or because Bell executives "aren't passionate" about cell phone service.
Or how about stealing a painting because "the artist only made it for money! the painter wasn't really passionate about the oil or the canvas or the scene!" Come on! |
no, that is not what i'm saying, and i'm not attempting to justify stealing...because the kind of stuff i'm complaining about right now I would not even waste my time downloading. the argument in which i brought up in response to your quote was me expressing my displeasure with how ass backwards the music industry is these days...
you brought up an example of my work...if i don't go out there and be passionate trying to set companies up with all the new software bell is coming out with i do no get paid....if i half-ast my job and don't put alot of effort into it, my financial rewards are significantly reduced....
in music today, the majority of the artists out there (at least 70%) put together simplistic, low quality, and easy to make songs...and get paid of load of money to do this....rediculous amounts...
what about all the little guys out there who devote their entire lives to the study of music...the stuff they are putting together is so complex, well written, and well produced....but when it comes time to collect their pay cheque they struggle to survive? all while sum 41 one is writing songs with simplistic 4 chord progressions that can be improvised in a matter of seconds?
my argument is that people who put their time in and really push to expand the boundries of music should reap the financial rewards of doing so...and they don't....these are the people i support, and these are the people that i will always continue to support...i have spent thousands of dollars on these ppl through cd's and concerts....
if you would like examples of artists like this, please feel free to ask, i will also show you my purchased cds from them as well as my concert ticket stubs...
all this aside, i completely understand where you are coming from with your arguments because you see first hand the sweat and tears your brother puts into his work...and i hope to god his financial rewards for it are high....your brother deserves every penny he makes, and more. but the structure of the music industry today just doesn't allow this happen...it's backwards....it has been since the days where the most respected and popular artists such as bethoven and bach.... |
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