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The "I refuse to give up vinyl !!!" thread (pg. 6)
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| harriz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
If you are constantly correcting pitch on TT's, why not do that same on CDJ's? |
on tt you correct and adjust, correct and adjust.
on cdjs you correct if you are close to the pitch you cant adjust any further. |
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| Ryan0751 |
You can't get closer than .02% on TT's either. Look at the pitch slider of the CDJ-1000, it's the same length as a 1200. At 6% pitch range, it's covering an even LESS amount of range then the 1200's 8% slider. If you watch the pitch display, you have to move the pitch slider such a small tiny amount to get a .02% change, sometimes you can barely do it.
You're going to tell me that on a 1200 you can do better than that?
Crack is whack.
| quote: | Originally posted by harriz
on tt you correct and adjust, correct and adjust.
on cdjs you correct if you are close to the pitch you cant adjust any further. |
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| harriz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
You can't get closer than .02% on TT's either.. |
Yes. I. can. |
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| Zild |
| CDJ1000s, and Technics are both EASY AS HELL to mix on. |
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| Basstard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
CDJ1000s, and Technics are both EASY AS HELL to mix on. |
simple as that really
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by est
Yeah, you can rip vinyl to digital easily. However, if a DJ wanted to play a tune on vinyl (for whatever reason), but it was only released on digital, there's no way that could be done :(. |
True, you can do that, but what about people who don't own TTs?? If your only a CDJ, you want to get your tunes. Some sites do this, and sell digital stuff, others just get it straight from the labels. But it shouldn't be only released on either, they should be released on both, like it is now. I'de say they should start releasing more on digital and sooner then on vinyl. But it's hard for me to believe that in 10 or 15 years there will still be DJs playing with vinyl records, other than those play older records. If there's any indication of what a good number of DJs are starting to do now...digital seems to be the future, whether on CDJs or through computers. Not dissing vinyl, vinyl's great, but I seriously don't see it as a medium that's going to last another 10 or 15 years..esp with trance and progressive DJs.
Your seeing more use final scartch or serato live, or your seeing some mix with ableton, and those that just use CDJs, or others that use a combination of these (like PvD). |
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| harriz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
True, you can do that, but what about people who don't own TTs?? If your only a CDJ, you want to get your tunes. Some sites do this, and sell digital stuff, others just get it straight from the labels. But it shouldn't be only released on either, they should be released on both, like it is now. I'de say they should start releasing more on digital and sooner then on vinyl. But it's hard for me to believe that in 10 or 15 years there will still be DJs playing with vinyl records, other than those play older records. If there's any indication of what a good number of DJs are starting to do now...digital seems to be the future, whether on CDJs or through computers. Not dissing vinyl, vinyl's great, but I seriously don't see it as a medium that's going to last another 10 or 15 years..esp with trance and progressive DJs. |
Trance and progressive djs are often sponsored by pioneer to promote their gear.
Techno djs are usually not that popular to sign sponsorship deals ;)
That why they stick to vinyl and use cd decks for promos.
But you are right vinyl is becoming a thing of the past weather we like it or not.
I consider my final scratch 2 with traktor 3 a godscent piece of gear.
I am budget minded but I also can do a lot more with the music. |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by harriz
Trance and progressive djs are often sponsored by pioneer to promote their gear.
Techno djs are usually not that popular to sign sponsorship deals ;)
That why they stick to vinyl and use cd decks for promos.
But you are right vinyl is becoming a thing of the past weather we like it or not.
I consider my final scratch 2 with traktor 3 a godscent piece of gear.
I am budget minded but I also can do a lot more with the music. |
Yeah people are going to have to give it up eventually..I mean we are in a digital generation, and with the rise of the digital download shops, it's easier and faster to get the tunes you like. One thing I was thinking about, was that there are many tunes I got on MP3 for preview purposes that wind up sucking. Now if I did that on vinyl (took a chance on a tune I heard a preview from) I'de be wasting money. There's quite a few tracks I bought on vinyl when I had TTs that I winded up not liking as much when I heard the full tune. I would have wanted to download on these shops anyways before I bought the vinyl record, and that costs extra $$.
With MP3s, I'm not wasting as much, seeing at Beatport files are 1.49 for older stuff, or 1.99 for new stuff, and 2.49 for promos. That is heck of a lot better than they spending 9.99 + 5.00 shipping that I had to spend on a record at DanceRecords.com, and they were one of the cheaper ones I could find! Esp because they were located in the US. I don't see a huge difference in sound quality either. The pops and clicks in vinyl records got on my nerves, some were worse then others. I don't have to worry about any of that with MP3s or Wavs. |
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| nrjizer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
You can't get closer than .02% on TT's either. Look at the pitch slider of the CDJ-1000, it's the same length as a 1200. At 6% pitch range, it's covering an even LESS amount of range then the 1200's 8% slider. If you watch the pitch display, you have to move the pitch slider such a small tiny amount to get a .02% change, sometimes you can barely do it.
You're going to tell me that on a 1200 you can do better than that?
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Yes, I can. I think it's a pretty basic DJ skill, especially considering that the Technics pitch fader is very stiff compaired to the CDJ's, which aids hairlength movements. And also, don't forget that the pitch fader on the CDJ is a digital device. No matter how small of a movement you put on it, it won't do anything until you move it far enough for it to signal the track to go 0.02% faster or slower.
Since I got my second CDJ-1000 a few months ago, I've been spinning mostly CDs (vinyl is too expensive at this point in my life). The limitations of the 0.02% pitch increments are definately obvious to me. Even after very careful beatmatching, I am finding myself having to be a lot more wary of my tracks slowly drifting because of it. I've literally had cases where one track was at, say, 0.06% and was a bit too fast, so I moved it down to 0.04% and it became a bit too slow. I do a lot of very long transitions.
But I still love my CDJ's to death. I can do things with them that simply aren't possible on vinyl. I can carry more music and can get it for a LOT cheaper. |
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| Zild |
| I find it hard to believe people are doing long transitions on technics without making any corrections. How long do you spend beatmatching? I can see if you spend minutes, but most working DJs I know just throw it in and beatmatch as they're mixing. |
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| est |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
One thing I was thinking about, was that there are many tunes I got on MP3 for preview purposes that wind up sucking. Now if I did that on vinyl (took a chance on a tune I heard a preview from) I'de be wasting money. |
Unlike mp3s, you can sell your vinyl. About half of the tunes I've got on vinyl came from raking through 2nd hand shops and finding hidden gems for 50p. I found a limited edition (500 pressings) of flutlicht icarus for £1 last week. Just one reason why vinyl is so much more fun than downloading (well, if you're a trainspotter like me hehe).
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against digital mixing - just saying that each has its place. |
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| trancecadet |
| quote: | Originally posted by est
Unlike mp3s, you can sell your vinyl. About half of the tunes I've got on vinyl came from raking through 2nd hand shops and finding hidden gems for 50p. I found a limited edition (500 pressings) of flutlicht icarus for £1 last week. Just one reason why vinyl is so much more fun than downloading (well, if you're a trainspotter like me hehe).
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against digital mixing - just saying that each has its place. |
Im constantly buying vinyl @ 50p-£1 from a local record shop and have picked up quite a few gems. The rest is a pile of junk (to me anyways). |
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