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America has lost the war in Iraq (pg. 2)
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| Purple |
There is nothing to debate... send this man to Hague for War Crimes.
Edit: The sad thing is that some people like Lepanto, Goureyella, Kapedan etc are still prepared to vote this guy for third term and make the whole story repeat again in Iran. |
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| Kapedan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
There is nothing to debate... send this man to Hague for War Crimes.
Edit: The sad thing is that some people like Lepanto, Goureyella, Kapedan etc are still prepared to vote this guy for third term and make the whole story repeat again in Iran. |
Kapedan = Gouuryella.
Anyways, I wouldnt vote for Bush for a third term because 2 terms are enough, I'm not a democrat, I dont like dictatorship *cough* FDR *cough*
:toocool: :p |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
Kapedan = Gouuryella. |
Get lost troll. |
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| Kapedan |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Get lost troll. |
Thats all you have to contribute to this forum anyways, the responses that you make, last the most two sentances, and all they say is Bush sucks and America is the enemy, why dont you grow up man? |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
Thats all you have to contribute to this forum anyways, the responses that you make, last the most two sentances, and all they say is Bush sucks and America is the enemy, why dont you grow up man? |
people like you arent worth my time replying to. so I can reply however I feel like it.:) |
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| Lopitrance |
Bush is bad, but I don't understand what hardcore trancer and his buddy Cyrus King really expect to get us to do? Lots of foreigners post in here, not only Americans... I uhh, dunno what we're supposed to do about Bush being the president of a country we aren't living in?
The way I see it, you two guys (trancer and cyrus) need to tone down the Bush hate, seeing as how at the very least, Bush doesn't Gas/Shoot/Run his own people over with tanks, yes 30,000 people have died in Iraq and that's TERRIBLE, but it's what happens during war, justified or not. I didnt support the war in Iraq, I would have been satisfied with a more covert or less GIGANTIC solution to Sadam Hussein, but the USA had to send a message I guess, they're prepared to roll over any country they feel is a threat, even if they have to spread their military ULTRA thin. At the very least, these governments that support terrorists will be thinking twice. (And yes I know the USA supported terrorists in the past).
I think the war on terror is blown out of proportion, but it is not the American way to sit back and do nothing, in history if the USA was attacked, there was a response, if you guys (trancer and cyrus) want to blame the Administration, blame the millions of Americans who support the idea of kicking anyone and everyone's ass that poses a threat to their nation, and trust me there are PLENTY of people like that.
You can also blame the US media for running fear campaigns, but at the same time you would probably base your opinion on an even more bias source (IE: Micheal Moore, Palestinian anti-american nonsense, etc etc).
Blame the administration, blame the media, blame the american people, and blame TAs like Lepanto, the truth is, the USA is their own country and they just so happen to be the most powerful country on the planet, if you "hate" the "Americans" or their government, or their media so much, send your respective country's head of state a letter asking to go to war with the United states.
Or perhaps you could try alternate methods, like setting embassies on fire or bombing buildings in the United States.
Or you could continue posting your endless hate campaign against the US on TA, that'll work.
My suggestion: Wait a few more years till Bush isnt president anymore, then shut up. |
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| St_Andrew |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/nec/-/1...ast/4825200.stm
| quote: | Iraq invasion: For better or worse?
John Simpson
By John Simpson
BBC World Affairs Editor
The first thing that struck me about Baghdad when I saw it in April 2003, a few days after the fall of Saddam Hussein, was how poor it had become. I hadn't been allowed back there since 1991, after the first Gulf War.
The second thing I noticed was a real sense of foreboding, even among the people who greeted me effusively because they thought I was an American.
The streets of Baghdad were edgy and frightening, and they stank of sewage and uncollected rubbish.
I went to one of my favourite haunts, the ancient Mustansiriyah University beside the Tigris. There was a sudden outbreak of shooting across the river.
"Just people frightening off the looters," said my Iraqi producer. "But this is just the beginning of the trouble. You'll see."
Comforting thought
We stopped off at a shop I used to visit 12 years earlier. The owner was a clever, wary man from the Kurdish north who had never dared to criticise Saddam Hussein even when we had been alone.
"Thanks to God he is gone," said the shopkeeper now. "But you cannot expect to get rid of Saddam and find that everything is suddenly good. His mark will always be on this country."
Still, people did expect that things would slowly get better.
"At least," said a man I had known in the past, and who offered me a cup of sharp-tasting citrus tea, "the Americans will put us on our feet again".
It was a comforting thought. Things had been bad in Iraq throughout the period of UN sanctions: water shortages, power-cuts, inadequate hospitals, a collapsing transport system.
But it hasn't happened like that. The Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), which ran the country under Paul Bremer, was almost ludicrously incompetent, wasting or misusing tens of millions of dollars.
Unknown amounts were stolen. In 2004 the CPA could not account for $9bn in Iraqi oil revenue.
Despite the investment that has undoubtedly taken place, virtually all basic services are in a worse state now than they were before the invasion.
There is less clean water, less sewage control, less gas, less petrol, less power. Baghdad now has an average of only 5.8 hours of electricity a day. At present Iraq is producing 1.8 million barrels of oil a day; just before the invasion the figure was 2.5 million barrels a day.
Much of this isn't the fault of the coalition: power, water and oil are particular targets for the insurgents. But the failure of the coalition to protect these supplies makes people angry.
Whenever I drive through the streets of Baghdad now I am struck by the lack of building work.
Let me take you on a drive through the Baghdad streets. The first thing you'll notice is the traffic: one of the coalition's successes is the extent of car ownership, even if the shortage of fuel means there are queues half a mile long outside many petrol stations.
The second is the shops. They're full of goods nowadays, and plenty of people brave the possibility of car bombs to throng them.
Things are expensive and inflation is high. So is unemployment: perhaps above 50%. There is malnutrition, and the level of infant mortality is still disturbingly high. But in the cities, at any rate, most people seem to get by.
Abiding anger
What you don't see is building work. You would expect the capital city of a country which is undergoing a programme of major reconstruction to be full of cranes. It simply isn't happening. Baghdad is not being transformed; it's scarcely changed from the time of the first Gulf War, except for the buildings which the coalition bombed.
If you see a US patrol, you should brake sharply and keep away from it. The gunners on the vehicles kill people every day for getting too close to them. Every Iraqi has a horror story about a friend or relative who misunderstood an instruction, often in English, and was shot at.
But there's one unquestioned success for the coalition: every available wall has a tattered election poster on it. True, three months after the last election Iraq still has no government, but the old terror of authority has evaporated.
There are dozens of newspapers, plenty of television channels, and hundreds of thousands of satellite dishes: under Saddam Hussein, you could be jailed for having one.
Nowadays, though, people are terrified of crime. There have been more than 10,000 kidnappings, of which at least 1,000 ended in murder.
Having a good job is particularly dangerous. Kidnappers have attacked 76 schools, killing more than 300 schoolteachers in the process.
About 200 university lecturers have been murdered since the invasion. After the murder of a television boss a week ago, the journalists' union formally asked the government to allow journalists to carry weapons.
Few Iraqis will even think about the anniversary of the invasion. Many are still glad that Saddam Hussein was taken off their backs.
But there is a real, abiding anger that the richest nation on Earth should have taken over their country and made them even worse off in so many ways than they were before. |
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| LazFX |
| Cyrus and Hardcore Trancer are just ignorant fools that have nothing better to do than to look like complete frigging idiots. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
Cyrus and Hardcore Trancer are just ignorant fools that have nothing better to do than to look like complete frigging idiots. |
Damn if only I could be as cool as you one day :( |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Damn if only I could be as cool as you one day :( |
That my lil jihad lover is impossible,
you and your lover Cyrus are destined to be ignorant fools, I feel sorry for your children..... |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lopitrance
Bush is bad, but I don't understand what hardcore trancer and his buddy Cyrus King really expect to get us to do? Lots of foreigners post in here, not only Americans... I uhh, dunno what we're supposed to do about Bush being the president of a country we aren't living in?
The way I see it, you two guys (trancer and cyrus) need to tone down the Bush hate, seeing as how at the very least, Bush doesn't Gas/Shoot/Run his own people over with tanks, yes 30,000 people have died in Iraq and that's TERRIBLE, but it's what happens during war, justified or not. I didnt support the war in Iraq, I would have been satisfied with a more covert or less GIGANTIC solution to Sadam Hussein, but the USA had to send a message I guess, they're prepared to roll over any country they feel is a threat, even if they have to spread their military ULTRA thin. At the very least, these governments that support terrorists will be thinking twice. (And yes I know the USA supported terrorists in the past).
I think the war on terror is blown out of proportion, but it is not the American way to sit back and do nothing, in history if the USA was attacked, there was a response, if you guys (trancer and cyrus) want to blame the Administration, blame the millions of Americans who support the idea of kicking anyone and everyone's ass that poses a threat to their nation, and trust me there are PLENTY of people like that.
You can also blame the US media for running fear campaigns, but at the same time you would probably base your opinion on an even more bias source (IE: Micheal Moore, Palestinian anti-american nonsense, etc etc).
Blame the administration, blame the media, blame the american people, and blame TAs like Lepanto, the truth is, the USA is their own country and they just so happen to be the most powerful country on the planet, if you "hate" the "Americans" or their government, or their media so much, send your respective country's head of state a letter asking to go to war with the United states.
Or perhaps you could try alternate methods, like setting embassies on fire or bombing buildings in the United States.
Or you could continue posting your endless hate campaign against the US on TA, that'll work.
My suggestion: Wait a few more years till Bush isnt president anymore, then shut up. |
true:
a very intelligent post, |
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