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Undermine Records presents the Jonathan Allyn "INITIAL STATE" Remix Competition (pg. 3)
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| Shepless |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mechgear
why do you need a midi... urm because not all of us have the time/effort involved in sitting re-writing the midi when it would take the original artist 20 seconds to export it?
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Well i dont want to get into a "heated battle" but if dont have the "time/effort involved" i seriously doubt your motives for creating music? Surely youd rather spend MORE time and MORE effort to make the track as good as you can make it?
I dont have much time these days to make lots of tracks, so i just spend an hour a day or something on one and then come back to it time and time again, until im happy with it. I dont sacrifice either aspect: time or effort...
Also why do you have to "re-create" the midi? Surely you can play the original and find the scale/notes that fit with it, then work with those. This is a remix afterall, not a remake!
Sorry to sound harsh but thats my honest personal opinion!
Shep |
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| Mechgear |
dont have the time, i meant by this with original projects/other remixes etc... not that dont have the time because simply cant be arsed to write music...
and again i wasnt necassarily talking about myself, more about producers in general!
and since you mentioned my personal motives for making music, they are because i make music that i can spin, because people enjoy hearing it and there is no better feeling than dropping your own tracks in a club and watching them go nuts to them! |
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| Effero |
| Not having MIDI files just makes it more challenging to remix and sweeter if you win... |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Effero
Not having MIDI files just makes it more challenging to remix and sweeter if you win... |
yeah, but in my case, i bother not to spend hours making a MIDI for myself.. and the audio samples are practicly useless..
| quote: | Originally posted by Shepless Well i dont want to get into a "heated battle" but if dont have the "time/effort involved" i seriously doubt your motives for creating music? Surely youd rather spend MORE time and MORE effort to make the track as good as you can make it?
I dont have much time these days to make lots of tracks, so i just spend an hour a day or something on one and then come back to it time and time again, until im happy with it. I dont sacrifice either aspect: time or effort...
Also why do you have to "re-create" the midi? Surely you can play the original and find the scale/notes that fit with it, then work with those. This is a remix afterall, not a remake!
Sorry to sound harsh but thats my honest personal opinion!
Shep |
yeah, but i would rather spend hours in making an own melody rather than spending hours trying to do somebody elses melody.. and since most of us are amateur bedroom producers, its clear that a MIDI file is of the essence for such a remix competition as this
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| substorm |
I fully agree. I thought the point of remixing was to recreate something that another person has created, using the right meterial?
And i can�t see the point of NOT sending the midi notes? A dance track isn�t just about the melody, its how u put the track together. Yes it takes time to come up with the melody. But when that is done, that is when the real work comes in, and using you skills, putting things together.
So maybe you should send the midi files the next time? I takes less space than alot of audiofiles that are useless, if you dont wont the track to sound the same, and 1 month to remix+you_have_to_try_youre_way_trough_to_get_the_rigth_midi_notes idea ???? Use your heads...
But hey.. this maybe is one of those: Lets_see_who_gets_closes_to_the_original_tune kinda competision?
Cheers
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| Jay Sustain |
The saga conitinues, here we are several weeks into the competition and people are atill shatting aboutwhy there aren'r midi files...
Can we get a grip!? Someone said all record companies provide midi's, let me share some insider knowledge I have of "how things are done"....
NIN Remix Competiton - No MIDI
DFUSE Remix Competition - No MIDI
Deepsky Remix Competition - No MIDI
Chemical Bors Remix Competition - No MIDI
My last three independant remix commissions - No MIDI etc....and the list goes on
I work full time as a producer/remixer/dj; 1-6% of remixes im involved in send midi's of course never to be used, call it special, but I'm able to hear and recreate the notation of an audio sample thats been given. I can remix a song with no parts if I can understand the notatio and song structure, no midi required.
So let's rethink the whole spoiled concept of what someone else is supposed to do for you.
......if you are unable to recreate the sounds you want based on what was given from the "uselss audio samples", as some amatuer wrote, then get creative and do something completely different or even better, save us all alot of time & money and dont do one at all.
This contest, like all others, will be judged, on "creativity, production skill & quality, and of course the overall marketability of the song". I'm sorry if this honesty is bursting anyone's bubble.
So my advice is get creative, make a quality production and consider its marketable factor.
And you might just find your mix is selected for the contest, so simple!
JS |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jay Sustain
So my advice is get creative and consider its marketable factor.
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Unfortunately quite often these two cancel each other out.
Not very long ago there was a remix competition here that even limited the genres you could produce the remix in. The "creativity" they mention there is quite often there just for show - most of the time the winner is the one who mimics the original the best. |
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| Mechgear |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jay Sustain
The saga conitinues, here we are several weeks into the competition and people are atill shatting aboutwhy there aren'r midi files...
Can we get a grip!? Someone said all record companies provide midi's, let me share some insider knowledge I have of "how things are done"....
NIN Remix Competiton - No MIDI
DFUSE Remix Competition - No MIDI
Deepsky Remix Competition - No MIDI
Chemical Bors Remix Competition - No MIDI
My last three independant remix commissions - No MIDI etc....and the list goes on
I work full time as a producer/remixer/dj; 1-6% of remixes im involved in send midi's of course never to be used, call it special, but I'm able to hear and recreate the notation of an audio sample thats been given. I can remix a song with no parts if I can understand the notatio and song structure, no midi required.
So let's rethink the whole spoiled concept of what someone else is supposed to do for you.
......if you are unable to recreate the sounds you want based on what was given from the "uselss audio samples", as some amatuer wrote, then get creative and do something completely different or even better, save us all alot of time & money and dont do one at all.
This contest, like all others, will be judged, on "creativity, production skill & quality, and of course the overall marketability of the song". I'm sorry if this honesty is bursting anyone's bubble.
So my advice is get creative, make a quality production and consider its marketable factor.
And you might just find your mix is selected for the contest, so simple!
JS |
ok and from a non amateur producers perspective.. 90% of all remix packs from labels contain a midi file for the simple purpose of recreating a lead takes 20 minutes which is better spent altering a midi to your own style! (I suppose i should say decent labels there)
and remix comps may not give out midi's all the time true but then remix comps are different to being given a remix pack from a label!
plus remix competitions you generally get longer to do the remix although this is beside the point really.
its not so much being unable to recreate the leads etc, its more the time factor and the fact that a lot of 'starting out' producers wont be able to recreate the lead... so surely it makes it a bit unfair on them! Yeah sure you may say but they dont want amateurs and producers just starting out to remix the track but its a massive help to those producers! the fact that they can listen to a tune disected into pieces, see how the melodies work together etc. |
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| UndermineRecord |
Hello to all, and thanks alot for all the entries we've gotten so far. We as a label have been reading the recent request for midi and so on. At this time its our feelings that if your skill level doesnt allow you to create a remix off the supplied audio files, then maybe you're not ready for this contest yet. We always like to hear what new & upcoming artist have to offer, but at this time we're looking for skilled producers and remixers to put their own season and flair on the track. I do appologize if your skill level requires midi to complete a remix, but as I stated before,maybe you're not ready for this contest. Again thankyou so much for all the entries we've gotten so far, and we cant wait to hear what you guys bring to the table!!! Thanks and Good Luck to All!!!!
Jonathan Kehrer
Undermine Records |
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| substorm |
What makes amature producer? Who says that the ones that want midifiles are less skilled producers?
You are a label, you want to make money. Will you make money without the artists/producers? We are producers/artists, this whole forum is full of skilled producers and remixers. Can we make money without labels? Yes, today we can.. But most of us, i think, do this for a passion and for fun..
I wouldnt say that your competision is a remix competison, more a talent search? I just had a track remixed by a famous Dj/Producer, who has worked with, for ex, Ministry of Sound. Do you think the label sended him my Audio files? The answer is no, he got my midifiles.
Im not going to enter this competision, but i just think that you wont win this descussion. Most of the producers that have replyed disagree with you, so why do you reply us with all this "blabla"?
Just becuse this is a forum, doesn't mean that we all are amatures. I fact, i think its the other way around, ad most of us has/have some kind of a contact with some kind of a label, small or big.
Please have competisions, but don come in here and "talk" to us like we dont know what we are talking about, that i think is te other way around.
Spoken from heart
Subs |
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| RickyM |
| quote: | Originally posted by UndermineRecord
Hello to all, and thanks alot for all the entries we've gotten so far. We as a label have been reading the recent request for midi and so on. At this time its our feelings that if your skill level doesnt allow you to create a remix off the supplied audio files, then maybe you're not ready for this contest yet. We always like to hear what new & upcoming artist have to offer, but at this time we're looking for skilled producers and remixers to put their own season and flair on the track. I do appologize if your skill level requires midi to complete a remix, but as I stated before,maybe you're not ready for this contest. Again thankyou so much for all the entries we've gotten so far, and we cant wait to hear what you guys bring to the table!!! Thanks and Good Luck to All!!!!
Jonathan Kehrer
Undermine Records |
That's bollocks, the midi file is just there so that the producer doesn't have to sit down and find the notes out themselves. I'd say a lot of major record companies have midi's in their remix packs, and I don't think this relates to anyone's skill level either. I myself would rather spend time on the actual sounds, not spending my time trying to find out what notes the original artist used.
Having a midi file is just common sense... |
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