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What the bible says about Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH) ... (pg. 2)
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| emc^2 |
p.s. somehow you don't hear too much about Hare Krishnas blowing up. Sure, their chanting can possibly be construed as inhumane and even pass as culture but at least you won't see them shoving an explosives belt under their organge robes.
Just thought I'd share my thought for the moment.
[edit]Ok, I take it back... this is scarry:nervous:
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| emc^2 |
This is perhaps one of my most favorite TheOnion.com pieces:
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God Angrily Clarifies 'Don't Kill' Rule
September 26, 2001 | Issue 37•34
NEW YORK—Responding to recent events on Earth, God, the omniscient creator-deity worshipped by billions of followers of various faiths for more than 6,000 years, angrily clarified His longtime stance against humans killing each other Monday.
God.
"Look, I don't know, maybe I haven't made myself completely clear, so for the record, here it is again," said the Lord, His divine face betraying visible emotion during a press conference near the site of the fallen Twin Towers. "Somehow, people keep coming up with the idea that I want them to kill their neighbor. Well, I don't. And to be honest, I'm really getting sick and tired of it. Get it straight. Not only do I not want anybody to kill anyone, but I specifically commanded you not to, in really simple terms that anybody ought to be able to understand."
Worshipped by Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike, God said His name has been invoked countless times over the centuries as a reason to kill in what He called "an unending cycle of violence."
"I don't care how holy somebody claims to be," God said. "If a person tells you it's My will that they kill someone, they're wrong. Got it? I don't care what religion you are, or who you think your enemy is, here it is one more time: No killing, in My name or anyone else's, ever again."
The press conference came as a surprise to humankind, as God rarely intervenes in earthly affairs. As a matter of longstanding policy, He has traditionally left the task of interpreting His message and divine will to clerics, rabbis, priests, imams, and Biblical scholars. Theologians and laymen alike have been given the task of pondering His ineffable mysteries, deciding for themselves what to do as a matter of faith. His decision to manifest on the material plane was motivated by the deep sense of shock, outrage, and sorrow He felt over the Sept. 11 violence carried out in His name, and over its dire potential ramifications around the globe.
"I tried to put it in the simplest possible terms for you people, so you'd get it straight, because I thought it was pretty important," said God, called Yahweh and Allah respectively in the Judaic and Muslim traditions. "I guess I figured I'd left no real room for confusion after putting it in a four-word sentence with one-syllable words, on the tablets I gave to Moses. How much more clear can I get?"
"But somehow, it all gets twisted around and, next thing you know, somebody's spouting off some nonsense about, 'God says I have to kill this guy, God wants me to kill that guy, it's God's will,'" God continued. "It's not God's will, all right? News flash: 'God's will' equals 'Don't murder people.'"
Worse yet, many of the worst violators claim that their actions are justified by passages in the Bible, Torah, and Qur'an.
"To be honest, there's some contradictory stuff in there, okay?" God said. "So I can see how it could be pretty misleading. I admit it—My bad. I did My best to inspire them, but a lot of imperfect human agents have misinterpreted My message over the millennia. Frankly, much of the material that got in there is dogmatic, doctrinal bull. I turn My head for a second and, suddenly, all this stuff about homosexuality gets into Leviticus, and everybody thinks it's God's will to kill gays. It absolutely drives Me up the wall."
God praised the overwhelming majority of His Muslim followers as "wonderful, pious people," calling the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 attacks rare exceptions.
"This whole medieval concept of the jihad, or holy war, had all but vanished from the Muslim world in, like, the 10th century, and with good reason," God said. "There's no such thing as a holy war, only unholy ones. The vast majority of Muslims in this world reject the murderous actions of these radical extremists, just like the vast majority of Christians in America are pissed off over those two bigots on The 700 Club."
Continued God, "Read the book: 'Allah is kind, Allah is beautiful, Allah is merciful.' It goes on and on that way, page after page. But, no, some s have to come along and revive this stupid holy-war crap just to further their own hateful agenda. So now, everybody thinks Muslims are all murderous barbarians. Thanks, Taliban: 1,000 years of pan-Islamic cultural progress down the drain."
God stressed that His remarks were not directed exclusively at Islamic extremists, but rather at anyone whose ideological zealotry overrides his or her ability to comprehend the core message of all world religions.
"I don't care what faith you are, everybody's been making this same mistake since the dawn of time," God said. "The Muslims massacre the Hindus, the Hindus massacre the Muslims. The Buddhists, everybody massacres the Buddhists. The Jews, don't even get me started on the hardline, right-wing, Meir Kahane-loving Israeli nationalists, man. And the Christians? You people believe in a Messiah who says, 'Turn the other cheek,' but you've been killing everybody you can get your hands on since the Crusades."
Growing increasingly wrathful, God continued: "Can't you people see? What are you, morons? There are a ton of different religious traditions out there, and different cultures worship Me in different ways. But the basic message is always the same: Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Shintoism... every religious belief system under the sun, they all say you're supposed to love your neighbors, folks! It's not that hard a concept to grasp."
"Why would you think I'd want anything else? Humans don't need religion or God as an excuse to kill each other—you've been doing that without any help from Me since you were freaking apes!" God said. "The whole point of believing in God is to have a higher standard of behavior. How obvious can you get?"
"I'm talking to all of you, here!" continued God, His voice rising to a shout. "Do you hear Me? I don't want you to kill anybody. I'm against it, across the board. How many times do I have to say it? Don't kill each other anymore—ever! I'm ing serious!"
Upon completing His outburst, God fell silent, standing quietly at the podium for several moments. Then, witnesses reported, God's shoulders began to shake, and He wept.
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| digitul punk |
| quote: | Originally posted by emc^2
p.s. somehow you don't hear too much about Hare Krishnas blowing up. Sure, their chanting can possibly be construed as inhumane and even pass as culture but at least you won't see them shoving an explosives belt under their organge robes.
Just thought I'd share my thought for the moment. |
Umm again when has West ed up for hindus again?? Fanatic muslims are after West because of all of the going down in Palestine and Iraq.. you with someone you don't know your bound to get your face busted. Same scenario here my friend.. If there was peace somehow in the palestine and iraq all of this would stop. But honestly in my opinion I don't see that happening anytime soon. |
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| emc^2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by digitul punk
Umm again when has West ed up for hindus again?? Fanatic muslims are after West because of all of the going down in Palestine and Iraq.. you with someone you don't know your bound to get your face busted. Same scenario here my friend.. If there was peace somehow in the palestine and iraq all of this would stop. But honestly in my opinion I don't see that happening anytime soon. |
To tie Iraq and Palestine together - that's a ing feat. Two different situations but I guess could be summarized by one commonality: "Muslims being ed".
There's a 40+ page thread on Palestine, I won't waste my time on rationalizing peace in Palestine as it's pointless. Iraq, on the other hand, is a different situation. I would hate to point it out but you, sir, are confused. |
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| digitul punk |
| quote: | Originally posted by emc^2
This is perhaps one of my most favorite TheOnion.com pieces:
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Couldn't agree with God more.. Killing people is wrong.. shunned, unholy, satanic whatever you wanna call it. People need to lay off the crack and start realizing that whether it's the fundamentalist bombers.. or america's army or the guy next door planning on killing his wife because he had a white light talking about it in his dreams. Killing is Wrong. |
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| digitul punk |
| quote: | Originally posted by emc^2
To tie Iraq and Palestine together - that's a ing feat. Two different situations but I guess could be summarized by one commonality: "Muslims being ed".
There's a 40+ page thread on Palestine, I won't waste my time on rationalizing peace in Palestine as it's pointless. Iraq, on the other hand, is a different situation. I would hate to point it out but you, sir, are confused. |
You think the generation of kids growing up in Iraq is gonna forget the fact their mom, dad, brother, sister, ucle or any family of any sort was shot by a marine? In my opionion America is messing up bad in Iraq because it's like fueling a fire. Iraqi's donot like the american intrusion no matter what people think. It's gonna be an even bigger hotbed for terrorism if this doesn't stop. OH and whatever happened to those WMD's again? Weapons of mass distortion i'd say. |
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| Lepanto |
No you are an idiot, you're assuming left and right. first of all the guy who wrote that book that i posted, is not in what i posted, it's a review but YET ANOTHER MUSLIM. and the whole pages is filled with muslims who converted away from it. all his claims have tons of truth in 'em because he takes whole passages and explains them unlike sheiks who take a passage out of context and use it for murder.
the west hasn't offended hindus...umm hello what do you call the British Empires ploy in India?
no it wouldn't stop because they are animals like emc^2 said. Only primitive archaic beings would resort to their actions. also there are WMDs, go look up Georges Sada. :) |
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| Renegade |
| quote: | Originally posted by CaTcH21
What the bible says ...
God revealed a prophecy to Moses that a Prophet would arise that would be like him. In this small booklet, the Muslim scholarly claim is weighed against the traditional Christian claim. |
That article was terrible. Did you actually read it, or make any attempt to understand it before you posted it?
It bases its entire argument on two vague Bible verses. The first:
| quote: | | I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. - Deuteronomy 18:18 |
That is ambiguous and could (if you believe in this sort of divination) be referring to basically any of the prophets of the Old Testament or the New Testament. If anything, given the context, I'd suggest that this phrase is referring to Joshua. Moses is old and addressing the Jews and their concerns about who would lead them into Isreal and he states that a prophet will be sent to help them. Joshua, later named by Moses as his successor, seems to fulfill each of the criteria. In the first chapter of Joshua alone (it's late and I can't be bothered wading any further in) it is made clear that Joshua is a member of Moses' "bretheren" (Joshua 1:1), Joshua speaks God's words on God's behalf (Joshua 1:13), God makes "commands" of Joshua (Joshua 1:9), the Isrealites submit to Joshua's authority as a servant of God (Joshua 1:16) and threaten to punish anyone who "disobeys" any of Joshua's orders. Again, given the context in which the divination was given, I'd say that Joshua is a pretty good fit.
(Of course it could also just be that God was making a general promise and providing a warning about dangers of false prophets, who - not so coincidentally - just happened to be a threat to the absolute authority of the Isrealite monarchy on religious matters when much of the Bible, including the entirity of Deuteronomy, was composed in the 7th century BCE.)
The second Bible verse given is:
| quote: | 10The disciples asked him, "Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?"
11Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." 13Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist. - Matthew 17:10-13 |
The Jews believed that the messiah would be preceded by the reincarnation of Elijah towards the end-times, so - presuming that Jesus actually thought in the same way that he is presented as thinking here - if Jesus actually considered himself to be the Messiah (something I would take issue with to begin with), then it makes some sense to believe that he would consider his spiritual predecessor (John the Baptist) to be the reincarnation of Elijah. Also, I'm not exactly sure where in the Bible the pharisees go to ask John about being Elijah and him denying it (as the author of the article claims) because there certainly doesn't seem to be anything else about in the Book of Matthew.
By the way "Catch" (I can call you "Catch" can't I?) is there any reason why you had to start 3 different topics on basically the same subject, especially given that the other two articles are actually linked on this one? Also, you do realise how stupid it looks to the rest of us when the adherent of one religious faith tries to poke holes in the logic of an adherent to a different faith, don't you? As soon as you realise why Christianity seems stupid to you, you'll realise why Islam (and Christianity) seems stupid to me. |
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| digitul punk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
No you are an idiot, you're assuming left and right. first of all the guy who wrote that book that i posted, is not in what i posted, it's a review but YET ANOTHER MUSLIM. and the whole pages is filled with muslims who converted away from it. all his claims have tons of truth in 'em because he takes whole passages and explains them unlike sheiks who take a passage out of context and use it for murder.
the west hasn't offended hindus...umm hello what do you call the British Empires ploy in India?
no it wouldn't stop because they are animals like emc^2 said. Only primitive archaic beings would resort to their actions. also there are WMDs, go look up Georges Sada. :) |
You are really ignorant. There is no point in replying to your posts what so ever. |
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| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by digitul punk
You are really ignorant. There is no point in replying to your posts what so ever. |
:rolleyes: yeah i'm ignorant because i base my opinions on RESEARCH.
edit: on PAPER research. internet is the most unreliable source out there ;) |
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| Sunsnail |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
:rolleyes: yeah i'm ignorant because i base my opinions on RESEARCH.
edit: on PAPER research. internet is the most unreliable source out there ;) |
I disagree. |
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| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
I disagree. |
experts disagree with YOU. because there alot of blogs and personal sites that publish info without any support.
one of them
http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue9_10/wouters/
plus theres a big company that does these kinds of research (name escapes me but i saw the results on both CNN, FOX and local news agencies like NY1 that were all talking about how unreliable it all is. because it's not in print. you could read something one day and it'll be gone without a trace the next ;) |
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