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| shaolin_Z |
ing gross.
| quote: | China harvesting inmates' organs, journalist says
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published March 24, 2006
A Chinese journalist has uncovered a secret detention center in northern China that is being used by a hospital to harvest human organs for sale to domestic and international buyers.
Jin Zhong, a pseudonym for the journalist who fled China recently, also said in an interview that a failed Chinese intelligence operation led to the 2004 death of a Japanese diplomat who committed suicide rather than give up secrets.
On the prisoner abuse, Mr. Jin said he first learned of the harvesting operation between October and December and that the prisoners used were members of the outlawed Falun Gong religious group.
"This is murder, and murder sponsored by a state," said Mr. Jin, who in the past has been a contributor to a Japanese news agency. "It must be stopped."
Mr. Jin said he came across the underground detention center while researching the Chinese government's response to the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).
A Chinese official was the first person to reveal that secret medical work was being done at the Liaoning Provincial Thrombosis Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine, in Sujiatun, a suburb of Shenyang, the major city in northeastern China, he said.
Mr. Jin then said he found out that a large underground prison was built beneath the hospital and that members of the outlawed Falun Gong religious group were being held there. As many as 6,000 people are thought to be held prisoner at the underground facility, he said.
The hospital is harvesting the organs of the prisoners, including kidneys, livers, and eye parts, he said. The organs are then sold to people, from both China and abroad, who need medical organ transplants.
One source for Mr. Jin was the wife of a hospital doctor who was involved in the organ harvesting. The doctor suffered psychological problems as a result of the gruesome medical work and disclosed the secret activity. The Chinese woman also has fled to the United States.
Several other hospital workers also revealed details about the prisoner organ harvesting.
Mr. Jin said he had to hide his true identity after being threatened by Chinese government agents. He was arrested twice for his reporting and recently fled to the United States, where he hopes to seek political asylum.
Mr. Jin said bodies of the prisoners were burned in the boiler room of the hospital and that boiler room workers had taken jewelry and watches from the dead and sold them. He said he has provided information about the organ harvesting to U.S. government officials, including members of Congress.
A Chinese Embassy spokesman could not be reached for comment.
Regarding the Japanese diplomat, Mr. Jin said he first learned of the intelligence operation in December. Japan's government protested the Chinese intelligence operation, which Beijing dismissed as a groundless accusation. |
Source: Washington Times |
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| CranberryJuice |
that can sound wierd but it doesn't surprise me at all ....when u know how are the condition of a chinese prisoner .....torture and being abused.....:nervous:
china is far from being a democracy |
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| Dupz |
I noticed that during the Commonwealth Games this week (in Melbourne for those of you who might not know) that there are already people who are protesting the 2008 olympics and China's human rights abuses - including those against Falun Gong followers..
It'll be interesting to see if this story were true. If it is, hopefully it gets the mainstream press coverage it deserves. |
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| CranberryJuice |
when u see to build all the stadiums and infrastructures the olympics require the chinese governement just kick out all the people and destroy their lil houses without compensate these people it's a disgrace !
China has a great economy and will probably the number 1 country in the world in few years of decades but they have to work on a lot of others fields .the gap is widening between the population ..some extremely people (maybe some corruption is involved im sure it is ) and some poor people the goverment prefer to not listen to and ignore
and talking about the olympics of 2008 ....we should have gotten them !seriously :rolleyes: |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by CranberryJuice
china is far from being a democracy |
no :rolleyes:
wtf??? |
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| Moongoose |
I dont see the problem, it sounds like a wery capitalystic thing to do, americans should be proud that the commies are embracing capitalysm and not disgusted by it. Its just they are going at it in a slightly different way then the rest of the world.
Dont know if its related or not, but wasnt there a similar sotry a while ago in the news, but instead of harvesting the organs of a few religious fanatics they were harvesting them from the prisoners on deadh row? |
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| dcougar99 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
I dont see the problem, it sounds like a wery capitalystic thing to do, americans should be proud that the commies are embracing capitalysm and not disgusted by it. Its just they are going at it in a slightly different way then the rest of the world.
Dont know if its related or not, but wasnt there a similar sotry a while ago in the news, but instead of harvesting the organs of a few religious fanatics they were harvesting them from the prisoners on deadh row? |
uhhhh... they dont realy have a death row... they just kill them right after found guilty... as in a few hours. and most of them have no legal councel... infact they use mobile death vans now.
| quote: | [/China is equipping its courts with mobile execution vans as it shifts away from the communist system's traditional bullet in the head, towards a more "civilised" use of lethal injection.
Intermediate Courts of the southern province of Yunnan were issued with 18 new execution vans on February 28 and a court official said some have already been used.
"We cannot tell you how many executions so far, otherwise you could work out from the daily rate how many we carry out," the official said.
Chinese authorities keep execution numbers a secret, but Western human rights monitors believe it is about 15,000 a year, more than the rest of the world's judicial executions combined.
The death penalty can apply for serious crimes against the person, armed robbery, drug trafficking, major cases of corruption and political violence.
Many public executions have been held in football stadiums so traditional execution methods are no secret. The condemned criminal is taken by open truck to the execution ground and made to kneel with hands cuffed and head bowed, before being shot in the head. Families who want to reclaim the body are charged for the bullet.
China's legal system allows only one appeal and lawyers say that less than 20 per cent of defendants have professional legal representation. When appeals against the death penalty are rejected, the sentence is carried out immediately, sometimes within hours.
In Yunnan, as well as in the cities of Harbin and Shanghai, death on the road has replaced death row. The execution vans are converted 24-seater buses. The windowless execution chamber at the back contains a metal bed on which the prisoner is strapped down. A police officer presses a button and an automatic syringe plunges a lethal drug into the prisoner's vein. The execution can be watched on a video monitor next to the driver's seat and be recorded if required. Court officials say the lethal drug was devised by researchers at the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences to meet two criteria: that it causes no sharp pain or emotional upset for the prisoner and that it works within 30 to 60 seconds.
Although the vans cost about 500,000 yuan ($A100,000) each, officials say the method is cheaper and requires less manpower than traditional executions, because land for traditional execution grounds is not cheap. But the main impetus was a law passed in 1995, making lethal injection an alternative to the bullet.
Yunnan officials say most prisoners and their families prefer the injection.
"When they know they can't be pardoned, they accept this method calmly, and have less fear," one official told the Chinese Life Weekly.
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I guess this is the way they use to do it...
warning graphic!
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dupz
I noticed that during the Commonwealth Games this week (in Melbourne for those of you who might not know) that there are already people who are protesting the 2008 olympics and China's human rights abuses - including those against Falun Gong followers..
It'll be interesting to see if this story were true. If it is, hopefully it gets the mainstream press coverage it deserves. |
Personally I think that the 2008 olympics might very well be the end to the dicatorship aka china.
There is no way that China will be able to, or allowed to (think it was in the conditions when they got the olympics) censour all the journalists. At the same time the democracy movement in China sees a huge chance to get their voice heard, at the same time as the athorities can't do anything about it. A new tiananmen square masaqure for example would be impossible when all the world press is in China moving freely.
So hopefully the democracy movement will try something, and hopefully it will gain some momentum, but guess it might just be wishful thinking from my side too :) |
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| NebulousQ |
I am not sure that a sudden change from a communist dictatorship to a democracy in China is the best thing for China. I am not sure that you were suggesting this, but just wanted to say this incase. I am all for democracy in China, but I think it needs to be a gradual change with outside influence.
While the extra media coverage in China in 2008 might be a good thing, it might also be a bad thing. It could give the government a easy out saying whatever democratic demonstrations, supporters, etc. are merely pawns for "Western" governments. They could act how they have always have with such people and then claim that the backlash and criticism is just more foreiegners sticking their nose in Chinese business. And such a claim would not be an abstract accusation anymore. The chinese people are proud of their country and culture and do not take kindly to overt foreign pressures, influence, etc.
Except for Western materialism. Materialism conquers all. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
Personally I think that the 2008 olympics might very well be the end to the dicatorship aka china. |
Why waste your breath on an argument?!
History has proven that Olympics can help unvilify even the most brutal of governments! Afterall, didn't Hitler's Nazi Germany shape right up after the world came to its door and watched atheletes (including Jews) compete?
Oh wait it didn't! ;)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...t/olympics.html
Oh well, what is it they say about history, it doesn't repeat itself or something. Thank god! |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Why waste your breath on an argument?!
History has proven that Olympics can help unvilify even the most brutal of governments! Afterall, didn't Hitler's Nazi Germany shape right up after the world came to its door and watched atheletes (including Jews) compete?
Oh wait it didn't! ;)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...t/olympics.html
Oh well, what is it they say about history, it doesn't repeat itself or something. Thank god! |
You do have a point, although I think there is a huge difference, in China there are lots of people wanting change, but unable to do anything about it because their goverment is holding them down. In Germany people liked the idea of Hitler and there wasn't really *that* much people against him at the time. Also western nations and their reporters were entirely different at the time (was human rights even a minor issue?).
Oh well, it was - as I said - purely speculation and only time will tell. Probably nothing will happen, sorry for being an optimist :p |
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