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| DJ RozzeR |
Linux Over Windows .
Linux is Very Very Nice OS if you can get all your printers , USB , graphic cards, etc to work with it, Unfortunatley I have had enough with Linux , This is my story i hope it helps you make up your mind.
One Weekend i went to a mates house , and he had Slackware all running and it looked sweet with the advanced GUI and all the elite hacking tools , so i thought it ill install it.
I went to PC world for a spend an i saw SuSE linux vers 7.1 , it looked really nice on the back of the package , and you know these packages they have all the features like DVD , MPG Power loadsa loadsa tools , so i said it Ill buy it , Cashing £££ 40 quid spent.
So like every teenager in the world you get home make a brew and put some tunes on and you put in the boot CD expecting an Easy Install like windows 95. First error I got was please
install CD-ROM Drivers , simple enough disk in CD driver modules loaded, step 2 please select partition, now if you have not made a dual partition on your HD then your gonna have to sacrifice windows to make one , I said it ill FDISK windows , and i made a 20GB Linux Partition. 1 hour later I booted up the linux boot cd, once i selected the partition i then had to slect which KERNAL i had to choose , like wtf ? , i selected 2.0.0.0.3 or something, then i got another DOS window , please select packages / configuration options , I must say it had a lot of choice of applications like over 5000 tool and GIMP and all the other sweet tools , once selected I clicked install , 3 hours later im on cd 6 , installation complete. Thank God.
Reboot......lOADING UNIX ......(looking nice !)
then all this green writing comes up like loading module after module , took 3 minutes to get to #ROOT, once there you have to login as root and set up the colours and display for x windows (gui unix shell), now once this had loaded you had to set up all the keyboard , mouse , display , colours , graphics card , adapter , unfortunatley , it kept crashing when selected save settings , and once you turn off unix once with out a proper reboot you get all these DATA BLOCK ERRORS which are a bitch too fix. 5 hours later afte frustation I actually got x windows working , it looked ok but nowt special , i tried to connect to internet , unfortunatley you have to configure you modem , to the very basics , and the ppp conection to the net , i got it to dial but it woudn't load up any webpages , or what.
so i had a OS which couldn't connect to net , print or use colours over 256bit , also i had no sound.
Dj RoZZeR's final thought.
Now dont get me wrong , I was probabily doing something wrong but it takes the piss. Please can someone tell me a good unix OS , like slackware , redhat , mandrake etc .
p.s corel linux rules lol |
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| ali92 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RozzeR
Linux Over Windows .
Linux is Very Very Nice OS if you can get all your printers , USB , graphic cards, etc to work with it, Unfortunatley I have had enough with Linux , This is my story i hope it helps you make up your mind.
One Weekend i went to a mates house , and he had Slackware all running and it looked sweet with the advanced GUI and all the elite hacking tools , so i thought it ill install it.
I went to PC world for a spend an i saw SuSE linux vers 7.1 , it looked really nice on the back of the package , and you know these packages they have all the features like DVD , MPG Power loadsa loadsa tools , so i said it Ill buy it , Cashing £££ 40 quid spent.
So like every teenager in the world you get home make a brew and put some tunes on and you put in the boot CD expecting an Easy Install like windows 95. First error I got was please
install CD-ROM Drivers , simple enough disk in CD driver modules loaded, step 2 please select partition, now if you have not made a dual partition on your HD then your gonna have to sacrifice windows to make one , I said it ill FDISK windows , and i made a 20GB Linux Partition. 1 hour later I booted up the linux boot cd, once i selected the partition i then had to slect which KERNAL i had to choose , like wtf ? , i selected 2.0.0.0.3 or something, then i got another DOS window , please select packages / configuration options , I must say it had a lot of choice of applications like over 5000 tool and GIMP and all the other sweet tools , once selected I clicked install , 3 hours later im on cd 6 , installation complete. Thank God.
Reboot......lOADING UNIX ......(looking nice !)
then all this green writing comes up like loading module after module , took 3 minutes to get to #ROOT, once there you have to login as root and set up the colours and display for x windows (gui unix shell), now once this had loaded you had to set up all the keyboard , mouse , display , colours , graphics card , adapter , unfortunatley , it kept crashing when selected save settings , and once you turn off unix once with out a proper reboot you get all these DATA BLOCK ERRORS which are a bitch too fix. 5 hours later afte frustation I actually got x windows working , it looked ok but nowt special , i tried to connect to internet , unfortunatley you have to configure you modem , to the very basics , and the ppp conection to the net , i got it to dial but it woudn't load up any webpages , or what.
so i had a OS which couldn't connect to net , print or use colours over 256bit , also i had no sound.
Dj RoZZeR's final thought.
Now dont get me wrong , I was probabily doing something wrong but it takes the piss. Please can someone tell me a good unix OS , like slackware , redhat , mandrake etc .
p.s corel linux rules lol |
Damn, that sucks! Ever think about trying "WinLinux" it's basically Linux that's as easy as Windows. It even shows up as an APPLICATION on the START menu! You also can use LILO at the very beginning so, you can have Linux and Windows on the same system. I downloaded WinLinux 2001's free copy that's on their site but, I have a problem: It doesn't seem to be able to create my Startup Diskette. I tried Formatting it, erase (quick), etc. But, no dice... If anyone can help me out here, it would be greatly appreaciated. Also, even though WinLinux really isn't for Windows XP or any other Win NT system, WinXP has this "Compatibility Mode" where you can use programmes made for older Windows systems like Windows 95, 98, ME, NT (4.0 and before), and 2000 (Win 2000 and XP's core is really Win NT 5.0 for 2000 and 5.1 for XP). So, I use the compatibility mode to set it for Windows 98/ME. It still doesn't work! Again, ANY help or any light shed on this subject will be greatly appreciated! |
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| Stanza |
Hey Dj Rozzer, I suggest you get the Redhat distribution. The installation was breeze for me.
I just inserted in the cd in Windows and up came the instalation window. You didn't have to around with any DOS menus and the hardware configuartion was pretty sweet with auto detect.
Even the partitioning process was easy to get through without the use of FDISK.
The cd that I bought came with a little guide on how to set up an internet connection, how to configure your desktop with those window managers and how to set up sound. I am made to believe that all of this is not as complicated as I thought but I have yet to try all of it. The guide actaully had screenshot of Linux in full action, like with all themes sound and everything confirued and working. So I guess it is NOT impossible to set up your hardware and . I think you just got to check out your vendor's specs on the parts.
With this discussion on WIN XP, I was wondering if it beats Win 2000. I'm using Win 2000 at the moment and it's running pretty smoothly. Is XP more stabler than 2000 or are they about the same? |
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| Trancewave |
I was actually about to switch over to Linux that was until XP showed up. I've been using xp for a while now and have to say that I am completely estactic about xp. I thought win2000 was the best OS i've used but xp beats it hands down. Sure xp has the security issue but I still got to say it's the best OS out there. What bugs me is when people go out and knock XP but never really bother to give it a try :rolleyes:
Also ali92 are you sure that you can dual boot with XP and Linux? I don't think that is possible. I could be wrong though. And why would you want to dual boot with xp and Linux? XP is just so stable, I havn't had to reboot in months :) With windows 98, if i leave my comp on for more than a few days I would eventually have to reboot due to the massive memory leak. |
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| Eugene |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
Eugene, basically my computer writing has the form of poster/invitations (QuarkXPress), e-mails(pine) and science reports (LaTeX). I've once used Word for a serious project (due to lobbying from my collegues) and after having seen it crashing *every time* the 7th really huge picture was imported I just about had it. Word is like a huge prettified cow, with bells and whistles you'll never need while being less than impressive when it comes to text-editing abilities: Swapping things around in your documents (while all references is kept intact and sensible), spell checking at the right level and such.
Of the programs you've mentioned only IE and Photoshop (which is basically a mac emulation) are part of my collection.
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trancaholic, your post really upsets me, because MS-Word is quite possibly the best application ever written. No other program (let alone another word processor) can compete with Word in terms of its smooth operation, conveniences, usability, and POWER. I have never had any problems with it at all, and I've used it heavily on 98/2000/NT.
But what I'd like to discuss is LaTeX. All the professors and many students at my university blindly hate Microsoft and Windows (later I'll give you examples) and, for example, use LaTeX to type formulas. LaTeX is very hard, command-based, and why would you want to use it, when there is Microsoft Equation Editor built into Word that has the SAME power and functionality? It's very visual, convenient, yet truly powerful. Believe me, I've used it often, and exploited many of its features. It is equally powerful as LaTeX - and a pleasure to use.
In their blind hate of all things Microsoft (*just because* it's Microsoft and Windows), people become stupid and narrow-minded. At my university, there are lots of Linux snobs like that (or people who want to be "cool" by dissing MS), and I don't like them.
Want an example? http://www.csee.umbc.edu/~brianb/ This is the page of my university's system-administrator.
P.S. You mention that you use Pine... I've used it before, as well, but switched to Outlook. I needed to be able to easily view graphics, work with attachments, type in a foreign language, etc. For me, the choice was obvious: I switched to something more powerful. |
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| Tranzmit |
Ok first of all I really don't see what the big issue is with Linux VS MS. I'm an IT Technician specialising in Hardware and they both have their place in a modern role in computing.
1. "Windoze" is not going to be replaced by Linux anytime soon as the consumer lever OS. It's easier to run programs/games/music/etc
2. Linux is going to keep making inroads as a business OS and may even displace the NT 4/5 boxes. It's going to do even better with large corporations simply fed up with MS's ever increasing BS over licencing issues and upgrade paths. (How many companies made the switch from NT4 to NT5 thinking it'd be the last upgrade from MS for a year or two AT LEAST. Woops!
3. More and more tech-savy consumers are going to use Linux at home.
The main reason i don't use Linux is basically because Win XP does everything I need it to do. I want to play Counter-strike, Medal of Honor, Rip MP3's and play them, Run office software, Create music using progs like Cubase & Rebirth and master/remaster using Cool Edit Pro ETC. I want to be able to use Photoshop to edit Images and do Graphic Design and composition with. I don't want to have to learn to use Gimp as i already have spent years mastering PS.
So thats why MS is going to keep most of their market-share in the home. Because Linux hasn't matured enough yet! And until it does things will stay the same |
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| DJ RozzeR |
ok linux is better but harder
windows is not bad but crapper |
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| ali92 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stanza
Hey Dj Rozzer, I suggest you get the Redhat distribution. The installation was breeze for me.
I just inserted in the cd in Windows and up came the instalation window. You didn't have to around with any DOS menus and the hardware configuartion was pretty sweet with auto detect.
Even the partitioning process was easy to get through without the use of FDISK.
The cd that I bought came with a little guide on how to set up an internet connection, how to configure your desktop with those window managers and how to set up sound. I am made to believe that all of this is not as complicated as I thought but I have yet to try all of it. The guide actaully had screenshot of Linux in full action, like with all themes sound and everything confirued and working. So I guess it is NOT impossible to set up your hardware and . I think you just got to check out your vendor's specs on the parts.
With this discussion on WIN XP, I was wondering if it beats Win 2000. I'm using Win 2000 at the moment and it's running pretty smoothly. Is XP more stabler than 2000 or are they about the same? |
XP is a bit more stable. It doesn't crash as frequently as other Windows Versions. Windows 2000's core is Windows NT 5.0, while XP's core is NT 5.1. Plus, XP has TONS of bells and whistles that 2000 will never have! XP doesn't even look the same as any other Windows. Also, you can select between NTFS and FAT32 Hard Disk Drive file system types. NTFS is good because it allows up to 4 TB in ONE partition, while with FAT32, you can only have up to (I think) 32 GB in a single partition. It's possible to reach the 32 GB limit with todays large HD drives (like the 100 GB ones!) so, if you have that type of HDD, use NTFS file system. I love WinXP! |
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| ali92 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancewave
I was actually about to switch over to Linux that was until XP showed up. I've been using xp for a while now and have to say that I am completely estactic about xp. I thought win2000 was the best OS i've used but xp beats it hands down. Sure xp has the security issue but I still got to say it's the best OS out there. What bugs me is when people go out and knock XP but never really bother to give it a try :rolleyes:
Also ali92 are you sure that you can dual boot with XP and Linux? I don't think that is possible. I could be wrong though. And why would you want to dual boot with xp and Linux? XP is just so stable, I havn't had to reboot in months :) With windows 98, if i leave my comp on for more than a few days I would eventually have to reboot due to the massive memory leak. |
Why wouldn't it be possible to dual-boot between WinXP and Linux? I know a bloke who has XP running since 2001/11/03! No reboot, power off, Control+ALT+Delete, etc.!!! I just wanted to try Linux out and see what it's like. That's all. It's not like I would abandon the BEST OS ever (WinXP)! |
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| ali92 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eugene
trancaholic, your post really upsets me, because MS-Word is quite possibly the best application ever written. No other program (let alone another word processor) can compete with Word in terms of its smooth operation, conveniences, usability, and POWER. I have never had any problems with it at all, and I've used it heavily on 98/2000/NT.
But what I'd like to discuss is LaTeX. All the professors and many students at my university blindly hate Microsoft and Windows (later I'll give you examples) and, for example, use LaTeX to type formulas. LaTeX is very hard, command-based, and why would you want to use it, when there is Microsoft Equation Editor built into Word that has the SAME power and functionality? It's very visual, convenient, yet truly powerful. Believe me, I've used it often, and exploited many of its features. It is equally powerful as LaTeX - and a pleasure to use.
In their blind hate of all things Microsoft (*just because* it's Microsoft and Windows), people become stupid and narrow-minded. At my university, there are lots of Linux snobs like that (or people who want to be "cool" by dissing MS), and I don't like them.
Want an example? http://www.csee.umbc.edu/~brianb/ This is the page of my university's system-administrator.
P.S. You mention that you use Pine... I've used it before, as well, but switched to Outlook. I needed to be able to easily view graphics, work with attachments, type in a foreign language, etc. For me, the choice was obvious: I switched to something more powerful. |
I can't get to the page! I get a 403 error (Forbidden)!!! MS Word's the best! |
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| DJ_D|ABL0_ |
I use Win98 SE dual booted with RedHat.
Definately worth it - I need the sheer power of linux for programming, with the program availability of MS Windows. |
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