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| Aureus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ygrene
I blame the guy that discovered fire....he should've just left that alone. |
posts like these are why i can't quit TA :p |
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| Yan |
| quote: | Originally posted by RapidFire
not all kids are the same dude. how do you know she didnt try and teach her and she still went against it? its not always the parents fault for what their child does. |
How do you know she DID try and teach her? We often attribute the shortcomings of the child to the parent(s). It's not too farfetched, either, because more often than not we can see bad parenting as somehow affecting the child in a negative way. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ygrene
I blame the guy that discovered fire....he should've just left that alone. |
So wrong, but so funny. :stongue: :stongue: |
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| loconet |
| quote: | Originally posted by RapidFire
not all kids are the same dude. how do you know she didnt try and teach her and she still went against it? its not always the parents fault for what their child does.
but again not even the child is to blame, it was a primal instinct. she was attatched to her mother and did everything she could to try and save her. thats something you cant unlearn. |
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| Sunsnail |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
How do you know she DID try and teach her? |
we don't. that's why we're saying not to blame anyone |
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| grooviebeats |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
How do you know she DID try and teach her? We often attribute the shortcomings of the child to the parent(s). It's not too farfetched, either, because more often than not we can see bad parenting as somehow affecting the child in a negative way. |
dude you cant be for real.. you honestly want to blame the mother for her daughters death. Now if the kid was walking down the street at 3 am and she was shot and killed by a drive by them yeah blame the mom b/c what in the hell was your kid doing out at 3 am but this kid was trying to save her mom. im sure the saftey plan was the last thing on the girls mind. |
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| RapidFire |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
How do you know she DID try and teach her? We often attribute the shortcomings of the child to the parent(s). It's not too farfetched, either, because more often than not we can see bad parenting as somehow affecting the child in a negative way. |
parents cant control what a child thinks. theyre individuals and even in their early years they make certain choices for themselves. |
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| NebulousQ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
We often attribute the shortcomings of the child to the parent(s). |
How is the fact that a 6 year old child decided to sacrifice her own safety to try to help her mom a "shortcoming"? Who knows what went through her mind at the time, but I think we can assume that she knew big fire = "bad" and that running back into the house was a dangerous thing to do. I am not sure how they knew she went back into the house to find her mother, but I will take their word for it. While perhaps not the smartest act in retrospect, the child's actions were definitely selfless. She acted on her perception of the situation and acted quickly this is in no way a "fault" or a "shortcoming" that someone needs to be blamed about.
Whether or not the mother instructed her child in fire safety is partially irrelevant, because as was mentioned before, a child is a free human being who reacts to situations as he/she sees fit. Personal safety was less important to this child than her mom's safety and she believed the mother was still inside thus she acted accordingly and selflessly.
There is nothing wrong with that, this is merely a very tragic circumstance and no blame needs to be placed. |
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| Yan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
we don't. that's why we're saying not to blame anyone |
I like blaming people. :whip: :p
| quote: | Originally posted by grooviebeats
dude you cant be for real.. you honestly want to blame the mother for her daughters death. Now if the kid was walking down the street at 3 am and she was shot and killed by a drive by them yeah blame the mom b/c what in the hell was your kid doing out at 3 am but this kid was trying to save her mom. im sure the saftey plan was the last thing on the girls mind. |
Yeah. I do. Why is it so unimaginable?
Either way, we're all taught to stay AWAY from fire and anything else that hurts us physically (when we're young). The age of 6 isn't that young anymore. I'm afraid this death could have been prevented by better parenting. (Unfortunately, there won't be a conclusion to this debate. We won't really get solid answers so all we're debating about is our opinions. :tongue2)
Then the parents/schools/fire department didn't drill it into the child's head enough.
| quote: | Originally posted by RapidFire
parents cant control what a child thinks. |
But they can help curb what a child does/doesn't do.
| quote: | Originally posted by NebulousQ
How is the fact that a 6 year old child decided to sacrifice her own safety to try to help her mom a "shortcoming"? Who knows what went through her mind at the time, but I think we can assume that she knew big fire = "bad" and that running back into the house was a dangerous thing to do. I am not sure how they knew she went back into the house to find her mother, but I will take their word for it. While perhaps not the smartest act in retrospect, the child's actions were definitely selfless. She acted on her perception of the situation and acted quickly this is in no way a "fault" or a "shortcoming" that someone needs to be blamed about.
Whether or not the mother instructed her child in fire safety is partially irrelevant, because as was mentioned before, a child is a free human being who reacts to situations as he/she sees fit. Personal safety was less important to this child than her mom's safety and she believed the mother was still inside thus she acted accordingly and selflessly.
There is nothing wrong with that, this is merely a very tragic circumstance and no blame needs to be placed. |
The "shortcoming" that I was talking about has nothing to do with the child's selfless decision. The selfless act itself? Yes.
If she was properly conditioned (zomg experiments!!1 lol), she would have understood that she'd only worry even more people by going back in. Why didn't she even check outside for her mom, at first? At 6, you're not a complete baby. Like you said, decisions can already be made.
A child is an UNINFORMED human being therefore all this IS relevant.
Someone always needs to be blamed. :mad: :mad: :mad: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :p |
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| NebulousQ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
Someone always needs to be blamed. :mad: :mad: :mad: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :p |
Scary man, just scary. I hope you never get into any position of significant power.
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
If she was properly conditioned (zomg experiments!!1 lol), she would have understood that she'd only worry even more people by going back in. |
This statement is only "valid" becuase the mother was out of the building when the child went in, had the mother been inside the building when the child went back then this statement would hold no water even on that arguement.
She would only "worry" people by re-entering the building only matters if the mom is still alive, if the mom is dead a child that is willing to sacrifice her life for the mother would not care about "worrying" anyone.
However the child did not know whether or not the mother had left the building, which ties into the next point
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
Why didn't she even check outside for her mom, at first? At 6, you're not a complete baby |
This is a life and death decision, every second counts. There may not be enough time to run around the outside of the house looking for the mother, if she was not outside then that time is lost and the window of opportunity for action has past.
Your whole "blame" arguement rests upon the fact that if the mother had taught the child fire safety, ie got to a predetermined spot and wait or whatever, then the child would not have died. However when you rush outside of a burning building and are convicted to the point of self-sacrifice that your mother is still in the burning building and now is the only time to act, "fire safety" seems nothing more than abandoning your mother to inevitable death.
When a loved one is directly and immediately threatened and you feel you must do something about it, you act.
What if the child had observed proper fire safety, ignoring to impulse to go back in and look for the mother and the mother had been in the building. Do you think the child would have cared that she had followed proper procedure?
Everything about both sides of this argument is pointless as we do not know what went through that childs head when she went back into the house and we do not what steps the mother had taken to prepare the child for such an emergency.
There is no need to add to the mother's grief by blaming someone. happens all the time and many times noone is at fault. Don't look for a scapegoat to selfishly pacify your feelings of helplessness. |
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| Yan |
| quote: | Originally posted by NebulousQ
Scary man, just scary. I hope you never get into any position of significant power. |
You don't seem to be familiar with the term "sarcasm". :p
| quote: | Originally posted by NebulousQ
Everything about both sides of this argument is pointless as we do not know what went through that childs head when she went back into the house and we do not what steps the mother had taken to prepare the child for such an emergency. |
Exactly! I don't know why people are trying to disprove me, though. It's my opinion, guys. >.> |
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| NebulousQ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
You don't seem to be familiar with the term "sarcasm". :p
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Nooooooo!!!1
I must run to Pic and Save now to see if they still have that sale on sarcasm detectors. One sec... |
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