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| simms327 |
From the BBC
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Euro MPs damn CIA prison flights
The CIA has run more than 1,000 flights within the European Union since 2001, often transporting terror suspects for questioning overseas, MEPs have said.
The MEPs began a probe after claims the US flew suspects to secret prisons in countries that regularly use torture.
The US admits some terror suspects were flown overseas for interrogation, but denies sending them for torture.
Report author Claudio Fava said many EU states had ignored the hundreds of CIA flights that had used their airports.
Mr Fava, an Italian socialist MEP, singled out Sweden, Italy and Bosnia, which is not an EU member, for particular criticism.
A string of former detainees have come forward with stories alleging kidnap and transport by the US for interrogation in third countries - so-called "extraordinary rendition".
Some have provided detailed accounts of alleged torture carried out in secret prisons outside EU or US jurisdiction.
'Hearsay'
Earlier this year the European human rights watchdog, the Council of Europe, made similar allegations, but these were dismissed by the US as hearsay.
The CIA has... clearly been responsible for kidnapping and illegally detaining alleged terrorists
Claudio Fava
Italian MEP
Unveiling his report, Mr Fava said European governments and intelligence agencies should have verified the purpose of the CIA flights.
"We just have to think about the use of the airspace and airports by [the] CIA: more than 1,000 flights run by the US secret services, often used directly for extraordinary renditions," he said.
He suggested that flight plans and airport logs meant it was hard to believe that many of the stopovers were simple refuelling missions.
"The CIA has, on several occasions, clearly been responsible for kidnapping and illegally detaining alleged terrorists on the territory of [EU] member states, as well as for extraordinary renditions," said Mr Fava.
He made specific reference to several alleged abductions, including the snatch in Milan of Egyptian cleric Abu Omar in 2003.
Italian authorities were highly likely to have known the details of Abu Omar's case, Mr Fava said.
Investigators used data from Eurocontrol, the EU's air safety agency, to examine records of thousands of flights.
'Strange routes'
Mr Fava described many of the flights as "quite suspect".
Among those highlighted was the flight transferring Khalid al-Masri, a Kuwaiti-born German national, who was seized in Macedonia and transported to Afghanistan in 2004.
That plane flew from Algeria to Majorca, Spain, then to Skopje, Macedonia, and onto Kabul via Baghdad, all within 48 hours.
"They are rather strange routes for flights to take. It is hard to imagine... those stopovers were simply for providing fuel," said Mr Fava.
Mr Masri has previously given details of his transfer to the European Parliament. He alleges he was seized in Macedonia, interrogated in Kabul and released into Albania.
New investigations
Mr Fava's committee spent more than three months interviewing top EU officials, magistrates, human rights activists and people who said they were abducted by the CIA.
Despite knowing that allowing rendition and possibly torture would breach a raft of European human rights treaties, Mr Fava said EU diplomats did nothing.
He singled out Italy, Sweden and Bosnia as governments he expected knew more than they made public about the flights.
Mr Fava's committee did not report on secret prisons, but he said members planned to visit countries such as Romania and Poland for further investigations later this year.
The CIA declined to comment on Mr Fava's findings.
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| zokissima |
| These stories have been floating about forever. I'm sure that, like any country, the US will use the means that it has at its disposal to find out what they can. The deny any involvement whatsoever. But its foolish to expect anything different. |
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| spitty |
sometimes its necessary to turn a blind eye. i wouldn't like them to publically admit or condon it, but if i found out that they smack some guy around to find out where he had hid a little girl he kidnapped, or what plans a group had made to kill hundred of innocent people in a church, i would be praising them
its one of those grey zones though |
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| simms327 |
| quote: | Originally posted by spitty
sometimes its necessary to turn a blind eye. i wouldn't like them to publically admit or condon it, but if i found out that they smack some guy around to find out where he had hid a little girl he kidnapped, or what plans a group had made to kill hundred of innocent people in a church, i would be praising them
its one of those grey zones though |
sure it makes sense when the guy is guilty
but what if hes not?
what if that person who gets nabbed, and flown around, their rights stripped from them to end up in an afghani "interrogation" clinic, and they didn't do what they were accused of.
how can the US give china on human rights, when it is doing things like this? also guantanamo.... |
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| DigitalMP |
| Next they're going to say that Jack Bauer is setting a bad influence for the rest of the United States. :( |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigitalMP
Next they're going to say that Jack Bauer is setting a bad influence for the rest of the United States. :( |
BS!
When Jack Bauer tortures; its for the fate of mankind and we all know it |
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| Abercrombie |
It is a grey area, but it's my safety I'm concerned about, and the CIA don't just take anyone in for questioning or 'relocation'. Just because sometime you can't prove someone is guilty, it doesn't mean they aren't (even though not guilty legally).
I'll never forget the Khadrs...when they broke the news in Canada, they denied all terrorist ties, they cried 'all lies, discrimination, false accusations' and all that other BS, until they finally admitted to the CBC they're Canada's al-Qaeda family.
I'm glad CSIS is doing a better job. |
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