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FINALLY a softwood lumber deal! (pg. 2)
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
Waiting longer would not have mattered, |
It definitely matters to those who depend on that industry (most of whom endorsed the deal).
| quote: | | as long as Canadians got what they deserved. |
Canadian governments essentially subsidize Canadian companies, who then have an unfair advantage over American firms (who have to pay market price stumpage rates). I don't agree with the Byrd amendment, but to characterize Canadians as victims in this case is laughable. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by itikia
Not surprised at all. It's all about building those business relationships! |
Kissing peoples ass is not good business relations....it may get you far in the business world but I don't want a PM who kisses ass |
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| starsearcher |
| I'm packing some serious hard-wood lumber! :eek: ;) :toothless |
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| Abercrombie |
I have to say fine job!
I give credit when it is due. |
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| Spam |
I'm glad SOMEONE in Government knows when it's time to bite the bullet and accept a compromise. Of course, we all knew this would be comming really fast once Emerson defected... but still, at least we're getting something.
I'm sure the softwood industry is pleased for the most part.
MarkT, it may only be "The best we can get", but "The best we can get" is better than the "NOTHING" the Liberals were getting from them. |
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| TO guy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
MarkT, it may only be "The best we can get", but "The best we can get" is better than the "NOTHING" the Liberals were getting from them. |
I think the whole point is that its not the "best we can get". We should have got what we deserved. Isn't that what "deserved" means? |
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| Jayx1 |
We didnt get EVERYTHING we wanted but thats how life goes. We can either drag this thing on another 6 years and take even heavier losses, or make a bit of a comprimise today.
The comprimises arent even that big. We get $4 billion of the $5 billion in tarrifs returned. On top of that canada has access to 1/3 the US lumber market tarrif free which is a pretty big market. The softwood industry (those who were taking massive losses and who's futures depend on this decision) are very happy with the deal. So why are people who have nothing to do with softwood complaining? |
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| TO guy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
We didnt get EVERYTHING we wanted but thats how life goes. We can either drag this thing on another 6 years and take even heavier losses, or make a bit of a comprimise today.
The comprimises arent even that big. We get $4 billion of the $5 billion in tarrifs returned. On top of that canada has access to 1/3 the US lumber market tarrif free which is a pretty big market. The softwood industry (those who were taking massive losses and who's futures depend on this decision) are very happy with the deal. So why are people who have nothing to do with softwood complaining? |
First off, how do you know I have nothing to do with the softwood lumber industry? Second, it would be OK for you to complain though, right? And third, the tarrifs shouldn't have been taken in the first place!! We should be getting more than the 5 billion!!! |
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| 7-4-7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
So Harper has done in 4 months what the Liberals couldnt do in 4 years. Just shows what a bit of diplomacy can accomplish. |
i am glad that you beleive that it was diplomacy that secured that deal. The US and Stephen Harper are the furthest from the definition of diplomacy as it gets. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
We didnt get EVERYTHING we wanted but thats how life goes. We can either drag this thing on another 6 years and take even heavier losses, or make a bit of a comprimise today.
The comprimises arent even that big. We get $4 billion of the $5 billion in tarrifs returned. On top of that canada has access to 1/3 the US lumber market tarrif free which is a pretty big market. The softwood industry (those who were taking massive losses and who's futures depend on this decision) are very happy with the deal. So why are people who have nothing to do with softwood complaining? |
of all people, I'm amazed that you think it's acceptable that the U.S. essentially stole a *billion* dollars from us. That's a lot of money.
we HAD a trade agreement...we HAVE a dispute resolution process...yet we had to renegotiate the deal because the U.S. didn't like it...and not even get back all of what was ILLEGALLY STOLEN from us.
This is "diplomacy" or compromise to you? it's called cutting our loses and caving to the U.S. It arguably may have been the necessary thing to do at this point, but that doesn't make it "good". |
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| tamk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
On top of that canada has access to 1/3 the US lumber market tarrif free which is a pretty big market. |
ummm...with NAFTA doesnt canada have tariff and quota free access to the entire US market in any case? |
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| ShadoWolf |
The U.S. made the case, and the WTO agreed, that the Canadian stumpage fee system constitutes an illegal subsidy to Canadian companies.
However, the Byrd Amendment, which allowed the U.S. to collect compensation for U.S. companies injured by illegal Canadian policies, is also itself illegal.
Therefore it's debatable whether the $1 billion kept by U.S. companies is just compensation. The lumber industry, the provinces, and the U.S. seem to think it is a fair amount. I'll trust their judgement. |
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