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| BiG MiKE |
| quote: | Originally posted by madhattared
its not about the fact they made a movie. its not about the fact that most movies nowadays can be corporate trash to put people in teathers.
its about the content in this movie. |
I guess. But I wont be watching it. |
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| madhattared |
| quote: | Originally posted by BiG MiKE
I guess. But I wont be watching it. |
why not? how many hours of tv do americans watch that rots our brains? but when something comes along that discusses the issues of a emotional subject no one is willing to listen. i agree people should move on from emotional and traumatic events. but there is still alot about 9/11 the american public needs to raise an eyebrow to. |
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| Highmay |
Ok...a few things...
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake
Wouldn't it be "Un-American" of it not to get great reviews? That movie's not just gonna get great reviews. I'm sure it'll get awards out the ass and I'm sure the leading actor will be set for life with movie rolls now. Personally, I'm just fine with what I experienced here in the City back then. Don't need any part of it re-enacted for me. By all means though, please let us know how it is. No one I know has seen the movie yet so I'd be interested to hear what you'd have to say about it. |
It would absolutely not be Un-American for the movies to get bad reviews. You really think movie critics are going to sacrifice their journalistic integrity just because it would look unamerican otherwise? Cmon, that makes no sense whatsoever. If you look at the actual reviews themselves, the critics praise how Paul Greengrass (the director) did not exploit the situation or the actual people at all. Greengrass showed a respect for the sensitivity and subject matter, and (apparently, since I haven't seen it yet) it came through in the movie.
| quote: | Originally posted by madhattared
yeah it would be un american but it has a 93% percent on rottentomatoes which is extremely high. the people that review on that site generally don't bull about their movies. i see what you're saying but i think people would say its not a great movie if it wasn't. |
Uh yeah, man. Sites like RT and Metacritic compiles reviews from PROFESSIONAL MOVIE CRITICS, so of course these people don't bull about their movies. It's kinda like their job. The ones I usually read are Roger Ebert, Kirk Honeycutt, Stephen Hunter, and the critics from NYT (AO Scott, Manhola Dargis, Steven Holden).
| quote: | Originally posted by BiG MiKE
I guess. But I wont be watching it. |
Look at what history has done. Hollywood waited 5 years before releasing a film about the Vietnam War. And then it came in successive years with The Deer Hunter and Apocalypse Now. Mind you, the ones who release their films first are considered excellent auteurs, if not masters (Cimino, Coppola, Greengrass, Stone, Billy Wilder with Stalag 17). So, in essence, you'll be seeing a good film with the first studio release. People may hate Hollywood, but their not total pricks and idiots. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Highmay
Look at what history has done. Hollywood waited 5 years before releasing a film about the Vietnam War. And then it came in successive years with The Deer Hunter and Apocalypse Now. Mind you, the ones who release their films first are considered excellent auteurs, if not masters (Cimino, Coppola, Greengrass, Stone, Billy Wilder with Stalag 17). So, in essence, you'll be seeing a good film with the first studio release. People may hate Hollywood, but their not total pricks and idiots. |
Actually, I think that you forgot John Wayne's The Green Berets that came out in 1968. It was highly government funded and backed and served as a great propaganda film to try to gather support for that war. |
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| Blake |
It attempts to fill in pieces of a story that only the people who were on that plane fully knew. So now people are being portrayed to the American public in X, Y, Z way, when in actuality we don't know exactly what went down. Of course, anyone can go see this film, but I think it's probably geared towards the people who feel the most removedfrom the events. I don't particularly need anyone to tell me the story of 9/11, but someone in say, North Dakota might eat this up, and what's worse, think that what happened in the movie is what actually took place. Not cool.
Sure they all have to go ahead from all of the familes of the people who died on that flight. I wonder how they went about getting the okay from all of them. Maybe they just asked really really nicely :rolleyes: . I imagine this movie capitalizes on people's emotions. Slap "9/11" on a t-shirt, an album, a book, or movie and people will undoubtedly fork over their money. Heck, it's almost like they don't have much choice. It evokes such powerful feelings for some. So the produces of all of these things get to 9/11 their asses all the way to the bank as they make millions. It's brilliant! In fact, my 9/11 movie will be released sometime next year :rolleyes:
Reading all of your different opinions though, kinda makes me want to see the movie so I can report back on what I thought (even as biased as I am). As I said I'd like to hear back from anyone here who sees it as well. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake
It attempts to fill in pieces of a story that only the people who were on that plane fully knew. So now people are being portrayed to the American public in X, Y, Z way, when in actuality we don't know exactly what went down. Of course, anyone can go see this film, but I think it's probably geared towards the people who feel the most removedfrom the events. I don't particularly need anyone to tell me the story of 9/11, but someone in say, North Dakota might eat this up, and what's worse, think that what happened in the movie is what actually took place. Not cool.
Sure they all have to go ahead from all of the familes of the people who died on that flight. I wonder how they went about getting the okay from all of them. Maybe they just asked really really nicely :rolleyes: . I imagine this movie capitalizes on people's emotions. Slap "9/11" on a t-shirt, an album, a book, or movie and people will undoubtedly fork over their money. Heck, it's almost like they don't have much choice. It evokes such powerful feelings for some. So the produces of all of these things get to 9/11 their asses all the way to the bank as they make millions. It's brilliant! In fact, my 9/11 movie will be released sometime next year :rolleyes:
Reading all of your different opinions though, kinda makes me want to see the movie so I can report back on what I thought (even as biased as I am). As I said I'd like to hear back from anyone here who sees it as well. |
I haven't seen this movie, but I really don't think that you understand what it's trying to accomplish. First off, this isn't about the 9/11 planes that hit the WTC. It's about the one that went down in Pennsylvania that was supposedly intended to hit the White House. It's a hero story of the people who fought back against the hijackers.
There were many families of those killed in the crash involved in the production of this movie. They donated 10% of this past weekend's box office sales to the Flight 93 National Memorial in Pennsylvania, which should be about $1.15 million based on estimates from how much it made this weekend. It believe that I saw that the movie cost about $15 million to make, so their profits aren't really going to be that amazing, but they will make some money. I realize that everyone views the movie industry as some big money grabbing industry, but you need to remember that financial gain isn't the sole reason for the creation of movies like this. It's not some film that people attend in order to be entertained. It's more of a movie to make people think and to honor the sacrifice that was made. I saw comments made about this movie like "It digusts me that people could sit and munch on popcorn watching a movie about 9/11," but I don't believe I heard the same outrage about Schindler's List, Munich, Syriana, or a plethora of other films about death, suffering, and other uncomfortable topics. |
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| nickac |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
I haven't seen this movie, but I really don't think that you understand what it's trying to accomplish. First off, this isn't about the 9/11 planes that hit the WTC. It's about the one that went down in Pennsylvania that was supposedly intended to hit the White House. It's a hero story of the people who fought back against the hijackers.
There were many families of those killed in the crash involved in the production of this movie. They donated 10% of this past weekend's box office sales to the Flight 93 National Memorial in Pennsylvania, which should be about $1.15 million based on estimates from how much it made this weekend. It believe that I saw that the movie cost about $15 million to make, so their profits aren't really going to be that amazing, but they will make some money. I realize that everyone views the movie industry as some big money grabbing industry, but you need to remember that financial gain isn't the sole reason for the creation of movies like this. It's not some film that people attend in order to be entertained. It's more of a movie to make people think and to honor the sacrifice that was made. I saw comments made about this movie like "It digusts me that people could sit and munch on popcorn watching a movie about 9/11," but I don't believe I heard the same outrage about Schindler's List, Munich, Syriana, or a plethora of other films about death, suffering, and other uncomfortable topics. |
Well put.
The film by the way is amazing. You should all go see it. |
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| madhattared |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
It's not some film that people attend in order to be entertained. It's more of a movie to make people think and to honor the sacrifice that was made. I saw comments made about this movie like "It digusts me that people could sit and munch on popcorn watching a movie about 9/11," but I don't believe I heard the same outrage about Schindler's List, Munich, Syriana, or a plethora of other films about death, suffering, and other uncomfortable topics. |
couldn't have said it better myself.
i think they're going to be donating more profits after the movie is out of the box office as well. |
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| jesteraver |
| I am happy they made it really realistic. |
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| Highmay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Actually, I think that you forgot John Wayne's The Green Berets that came out in 1968. It was highly government funded and backed and served as a great propaganda film to try to gather support for that war. |
from what i hear the movie is awful, one...and i wouldnt include government funded movies directed by john wayne as a hollywood response, two... |
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| Blake |
I know what the movie's about. I don't want to take the discussion into too serious a place but I will say that I think the Holocaust movies and such are different from this (not that any of these movies justify each others existance). Again I imagine those movies were geared more towards everyone else than they were towards actual survivors. I don't really have anything else to say about any of the other things you all have said because I understand the points you were trying to make. Perhaps some of Hollywood isn't all crooked. Perhaps they aren't trying to fill in blanks that they have no business filling in. It can't really be disputed though that there was a lot to gain by making a movie like this, noble as their intentions may be, and I'm sure it will be acclaimed here in the States for years to come. I guess I see how this movie can be a very good thing but what keeps popping up in my head is thinking to a few months from now about things like this -
"UNITED 93 DVD IS OUT IN STORES THIS MONDAY! COME PICK UP YOUR VERY OWN LIMITED 2 DISC COLLECTORS EDITION BOX SET WHICH INCLUDES COMMENTARY, BEHIND THE SCENES FOOTAGE, INTERVIEWS, AND A COMEMORATIVE UNITED 93 LIMITED EDITION COLLECTORS COIN ALL FOR JUST $29.95!!! OH AND DON'T FORGET, FOR EACH COPY SOLD 1/2 A CENT WILL BE DONATED TO THE DURP DURPEDY DURP DURP FUND!"
- which seems kinda lame :whip: :rolleyes: :( |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Highmay
from what i hear the movie is awful, one...and i wouldnt include government funded movies directed by john wayne as a hollywood response, two... |
Oh, I've seen it. It is awful. I couldn't believe how bad it was, but we watched it in a class of mine in college to compare views of Vietnam in film. The next week we watched Platoon, which was quite a contrast. I was just pointing out a film about Vietnam that came out before the classics that you mentioned. |
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