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Quotes about trance? Who's right in the list? (pg. 2)
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0915
Everyone does thematic variation in their compositions, but nobody takes more for doing it than trance musicians.
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Nobody gets more worshipped for doing it than trance musicians. And nobody fosters the delusion that they're doing anything but EXCEPT trance musicians.
GIGO. |
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| Zombie0915 |
that is definately true, the music and the people are not nearly as miraculous as the image that surrounds it and that is definately something that most trance fans eventually realize.
It still doesnt justify the many things that have been said to lift one style up and put another down. The talking heads are often hypocrites.
I disagree with the whole "fostering delusion" thing though. The image is very much an aspect of social identity, one can hardly control how they are viewed by other people. You have your personal identity which you can change all you want, but your social identity is what others see and it is based more on others than it is yourself. I'm sure you are familiar with this, I imagine you are very different from the person that the people in this website view you as. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0915
one can hardly control how they are viewed by other people. |
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| Zombie0915 |
how much of that was tiesto's doing, and how much of that was id&t, promoters, managers, and marketing agents? Sure he condones it and it's rediculous, but is every single person who gets pigeionholed as trance and associated with these images just as guilty?
I don't think those kinds of events are things people are showing up to just to see tiesto, I think people go to those things because they want to experience a giant stadium party and be in the company of a huge crowd of people. The appeal of that stuff looks more to be the setting than it is a delusion created by the tiesto himself. I imagine much of that crowd realizes that there is nothing too incredible about the guy in the middle of that big circle but suspends their disbeleif because they want to have a good time. You can look at that thing and imagine that tiesto pictures himself as bigger than jesus, but how do you really know his intentions and what makes that image apply to all of trance? Just because one guy has a stadium party doesn't grant one the right to associate an entire musical form with that image.
It looks to me more like he is a pop star, he seems to be very honest about this, always talking about his target audience and openly admitting things like they don't care about smooth mixing and they want to hear him on the radio. The guy seems quite transparent about it as do many of the other pop trance musicians. G&D openly admit that their music is pop, Armin said he wants to work with pdiddy, it certainly doesnt sound like fostering a delusion to me, they want to be pop stars and they openly admit it, the fans want to have pop stars so they cling to these "trance" DJ's. He seems to admit he does pop music, that he aims for a big audience, there is no delusion there if he's being honest. None of them go campaigning that they have some incredible talent, none of them are in the press spouting about their superior musical abilities, they seem very blunt about admitting that their sound is a trance influenced pop music to me, its the fans that go about saying stupid , the promoters are the ones fostering delusions because it is in their best interests to do so, one can hardly fault them for hyping up their headliners, every genre does that. |
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| DJMaytag |
| quote: | Originally posted by PlasticSoul
Some quotes I ve found:
"Today when I listen to DJs like Tiesto...I have the feeling with their music that they don't have the right musicians. They are following a format – always producing the same structures. It's a pop format for trance."..."People are getting a wrong interpretation of what trance music is all about. Actually I think I play trance. I honestly do…because I don't let people go. I nail them on the dance floor – 'you stay!'".
Sven Vath |
when the father of trance movement speaks, you should listen. seriously. if you don't know who Sven Vath is, you need to do your trance history (yes Virginia, it started before 1998).
| quote: | | I don't really object to minimal, but I really do object to minimal assuming a snobby status as the forward-thinking, pioneering sound in electronic music. All they've done is stripped music down to the barest things and then played it. |
welcome to trance 1993, which was all about being stripped down as a knee jerk reaction to all the rave music (aka London Hardcore, which we might know today as happy hardcore) that was all the rage back then. Stripping everything down to a simple house beat and using timbral modulation to induce a hypnotic "trance" effect was the order of the day for Sven Vath and his cohorts, Spicelab (aka Oliver Lieb), Hardfloor, Marco Zaffarano, and the Harthouse/Eye-Q groups/artists that dominated the trance landscape in the early 90's.
so... you're objecting to how trance as a music movement was born? :D |
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| Floorfiller |
| i really enjoy reading trance artists interviews because they say these things like they don't apply to them. i mean look at what andy moor said...tiesto's said stuff like that...armin's said stuff like that. and the majority of their work contradicts their own views of themselves...it just makes me laugh. |
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| blacknoizybox |
whats wrong with you ppl???? what are you trying to proove to yourself and to others. if you dont like ty trance - dont listen to it. listen to Vath, Cox, Hatwin etc. everybody's trying to be on top of the world to point fingers and judge everthing/everyone. music changes, someone leaves the scene, while fresh blood enters the bloodstream...its natural...Tiesto sucks? let him be! forget him. listen to other djs, produce yourself, start boozing, smoke some weeed :haha: :confused:
ugrrrrr :wtf: |
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| msz |
| stop reading quotes/theories, listen to some music and shut up. |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
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lol ing pwned. |
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| roryk |
| quote: | Originally posted by msz
stop reading quotes/theories, listen to some music and shut up. |
exactly - its amazing how many people need to be told what music is good without actually having to listen to it. |
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| humilis |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Massive
but basically he's right when he says he's playing music that brings people into a "trancy state of mind". I don't really see that happen in sets played by the big trance jocks these days.. or do you? |
Yes. And that's what I call trance too. Väth plays some trance, music with a trancy feeling. If there's a house beat, techno bassline and few pads on it, I call it trance. Trance is a state of mind which comes from flowing sound layers and synths, not from melodies. That breakdown/uplift melodic "trance" played by big trance jockeys has nothing to do with that trance feeling what I'm talking about. |
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| blacknoizybox |
| quote: | Originally posted by humilis
Yes. And that's what I call trance too. Väth plays some trance, music with a trancy feeling. If there's a house beat, techno bassline and few pads on it, I call it trance. Trance is a state of mind which comes from flowing sound layers and synths, not from melodies. That breakdown/uplift melodic "trance" played by big trance jockeys has nothing to do with that trance feeling what I'm talking about. |
your fkng 100% CORRECT |
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