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Getting away from "formulaic" trance (pg. 6)
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| DJ Intrigue |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0915
One has to be in the right mood to enjoy infinite beat dance music, some of your big dance fiends snap into this mood instantly and violently hate when music drops them out of that mood, some people need tunes to warm them up and ease them into the dancing mood. If you are looking to go out strictly for dancing you would want an infinite rhythm, if you just want to hear some enoyable music without regard to context then you might not be looking for that constant rhythm stuff which leads itself to nonstop dancing.
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Why must electronic music always be about listening vs. dancing? Are you really that concerned what the music was intended for that you can't enjoy it in multiple contexts and in multiple places? I just don't understand why that matters so much and why all of these types of threads basically act as if the more rhythmic music cannot be used for passive home listening, and vise versa for maybe the more subdued musics. Honestly, who gives a what the music was intended for (I sure as hell don't), just listen to it and quit trying to analyze so much... you are only limiting yourself by doing this.
I also really beg to differ that you must be in the right mood to enjoy "infinite beat dance music" as you put it. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidSteel
I want to hurt people with my music. I want to poison them and damage them with my music. I want to turn people into stone with my music. Just like a Bard in Final Fantasy. |
That would be the greatest set of all time. |
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| DJMaytag |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Spirit5 listen to some of the tracks if you can in my sig, those are what I am into, you can listen to them and dance to them... |
I can't... while they may be ok from an artistic standpoint, the last thing I would really want to do is dance to any of those 5 tracks. There's just NOTHING about those tracks that would inspire me to move around onto or around a dancefloor.
A couple would be neat to listen to at home or in the car, but that's about it. I personally wouldn't consider any of those tracks to be dual-purpose... |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJMaytag
I can't... while they may be ok from an artistic standpoint, the last thing I would really want to do is dance to any of those 5 tracks. There's just NOTHING about those tracks that would inspire me to move around onto or around a dancefloor.
A couple would be neat to listen to at home or in the car, but that's about it. I personally wouldn't consider any of those tracks to be dual-purpose... |
Well see, I'm not using them or would use them as full on dancefloor stuff, they aren't made for it. They are made for home listening, or for the early hours in a set or early morning. Besides if I ever do happen to get a gig in the future, I doubt i'll be a headliner playing full on stuff, and I just mix in my bedroom so I'de rather mix chilley, progressive stuff vs. really full on psy or tech trance or whatever. I just like stuff I can chill out to in my bedroom or in my car or wherever...they may be "boring" to some, but just like psy, it takes time to get used to stuff that you might not be used to...I'm a deep person, so I like deeper music...I always have gravitated to the likes of John Digweed, Sasha, Dave Seaman and Nick Warren, among others, I just went through an anthemic phase for about 4 years. I initially bought CDs and listened to sets from those guys around 2000 and 2001. Around 2002, I got heavily into anthemic stuff, but these past few months i've gotten tired of them. Now I like stuff that combines the best of both worlds in a sense, more melodic progressive with some breakdowns, but stuff a little bit more subtle then the anthemic stuff, not full on or so over the top. |
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| JakeC |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
Well see, I'm not using them or would use them as full on dancefloor stuff, they aren't made for it. They are made for home listening, or for the early hours in a set or early morning. Besides if I ever do happen to get a gig in the future, I doubt i'll be a headliner playing full on stuff, and I just mix in my bedroom so I'de rather mix chilley, progressive stuff vs. really full on psy or tech trance or whatever. I just like stuff I can chill out to in my bedroom or in my car or wherever...they may be "boring" to some, but just like psy, it takes time to get used to stuff that you might not be used to...I'm a deep person, so I like deeper music...I always have gravitated to the likes of John Digweed, Sasha, Dave Seaman and Nick Warren, among others, I just went through an anthemic phase for about 4 years. I initially bought CDs and listened to sets from those guys around 2000 and 2001. Around 2002, I got heavily into anthemic stuff, but these past few months i've gotten tired of them. Now I like stuff that combines the best of both worlds in a sense, more melodic progressive with some breakdowns, but stuff a little bit more subtle then the anthemic stuff, not full on or so over the top. |
I can gurantee none of those tunes in your sig where made with the intent of home listening. |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by JakeC
I can gurantee none of those tunes in your sig where made with the intent of home listening. |
Understandable, I know this, I take that back about the intent being homne listening, but they weren't made for full on dancefloor material either. To me they are more "listenable" then really full on psy or tech trance or techno...they are for the early parts of sets or for warm up sets that aren't "full on" or "peak time". You could technically just chill to them, like when people just enter a club and a DJ is playing stuff, getting people into the groove, while they chit chat or get drinks or whatever...well at least that's what i've seen from clubs i've been to. It's kind of like Tiesto "In Search Of Sunrise" stuff, well at least the first three CDs, esp the third, vs. his old Magik CDs, that were more full on. The stuff i've been digging is more "In Search Of Sunrise" then Magik. |
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| Light The Fuse |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
And this, therein, lies the problem. See, you don't actually like trance. You like pop music. You like trance when it BEHAVES like pop music. You need to be spoonfed the changes and transitions, and you need the melodies to hit you over the head with a sledgehammer. You want things obvious, plain, and laid out in front of you. You are not a fan of subtlety, nosirree. You prefer your music to spell it out for you, to tell you what to feel and how to feel it at precise moments.
But you see, some of us despise that form of music. It's insulting our intelligence for one thing. It's fake, canned, predictable and forced for another. We don't need a pointer in the music literally telling us "OKAY, HERE'S THE PART WHERE YOU STOP DANCING.......AND NOW THE ANTHEM COMES....OKAY, NOW RAISE YOUR ARMS AND START CHEERING....HERE COMES THE DRUM ROLL.....HERE'S WHERE YOU CHEER LOUDER NOW.....OKAY BOOM START DANCING AGAIN..."
We don't need to be led through each track like we're a three year old child. We can hear the changes, the rhythms, the pulse of the beat. We know what's going on. We don't need a big, bombastic fanfare telling us when to cheer and when to dance and when to put our arms in the air like a bunch of mindless puppets. We dance our own way, for our own sake, in a manner decided entirely by us, and each of us interprets it differently.
I'm sure everyone goes on a journey when they listen to this music. But the difference between your journey and my journey is that your journey sticks to the roads, like a tourist, confined by the rigid perameters of your emotionally-directed pop trance music. Me? I'm free to wander anywhere I please, because the music let's me. And that's what I do.
(and you have to pay for your journey) |
that is one of the best things i have ever read. |
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| Zombie0915 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Intrigue
Why must electronic music always be about listening vs. dancing? Are you really that concerned what the music was intended for that you can't enjoy it in multiple contexts and in multiple places? I just don't understand why that matters so much and why all of these types of threads basically act as if the more rhythmic music cannot be used for passive home listening, and vise versa for maybe the more subdued musics. Honestly, who gives a what the music was intended for (I sure as hell don't), just listen to it and quit trying to analyze so much... you are only limiting yourself by doing this.
I also really beg to differ that you must be in the right mood to enjoy "infinite beat dance music" as you put it. |
well, there is just alot of stuff that is great for dancing that I can't stand hearing when I don't feel like dancing, that is the only reason. Boom Boom Boom Boom just gets boring unless your standing up gyrating to it, otherwise its just annoying. I mean, sometimes I am in the right mood to enjoy it, and I'll go out and do some dancing, but other times it just isn't any fun. I'm not all that concerned about intentions, if that were the case I sure wouldn't have gravitated towards this stuff. Its just fluctuating preferences, surely you don't listen to EDM all the time. |
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| DJ Intrigue |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0915
surely you don't listen to EDM all the time. |
No, I don't. I just don't necessarily agree with you because whether or not the music is more rhythmic or more mellow shouldn't matter one bit as to when and where you listen to it. I'm only going by your posts, but you simply act like the music with a definite beat and groove is ONLY meant for the clubs and that it can't be appreciated anywhere else because it is "infinite beat dance music" meant for dancing only, and vise versa with the "listening" music.
That is what I take issue with because I don't pigeonhole the music I listen to like that and am able to enjoy all my favorite styles in pretty much all contexts, regardless of how things sound. Just because you aren't in the mood to dance, or aren't in the mood to listen passively, doesn't mean that you can't enjoy something the other way around. I feel like you are essentially not allowing yourself to listen to something based on how it sounds and perhaps where that music is more likely to be played, rather than whether you like it to begin with or not... and that to me is very narrowminded and to an extent, selfish. You shouldn't limit yourself like that, since the rest will take care of itself so as long as you enjoy what you're hearing. |
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| Zoso |
| Hate to bump my own thread, but I'm going to risk some flames for a moment. I finally got to hear ISOS 5 this weekend. Forgive my ignorance, but what style is CD1? Is this progressive house? Tiesto bashing aside, I have to say that I really enjoyed this style of EDM. It's a little darker, for lack of a better term. More mellow yet it maintains a certain rhythm and drive throughout. But I'm not especially knowledgeable when it comes to hair-splitting the different genres. If someone could give me an honest answer and/or opinion, I'd appreciate it. I may have found the new direction I'd like to explore! |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zoso
Hate to bump my own thread, but I'm going to risk some flames for a moment. I finally got to hear ISOS 5 this weekend. Forgive my ignorance, but what style is CD1? Is this progressive house? Tiesto bashing aside, I have to say that I really enjoyed this style of EDM. It's a little darker, for lack of a better term. More mellow yet it maintains a certain rhythm and drive throughout. But I'm not especially knowledgeable when it comes to hair-splitting the different genres. If someone could give me an honest answer and/or opinion, I'd appreciate it. I may have found the new direction I'd like to explore! |
It's progressive really. It's not quite progressive house, as progressive house stemmed from Leftfield, and then DJs who started to play this style around the early 00s, like Sasha & Digweed, Dave Seaman, Nick Warren and Anthony Pappa etc. This stuff was what DJs played as an alternative to the big trance anthems Tiesto, Ferry, Armin and Oakenfold were playing at the time, although even they started playing prog house and trance back in the day. Nowadays there are many progressive styles, some that sound more like trance, some more like house, and some that use breakbeats (progressive breaks, which also has trance influences) and a lot of it is more a less a fusion of trance, house, techno, electro and breaks. So I would just consider the style "progressive", though it's a bit more "mainstream" sounding then the stuff the guys I mentioned used to play, it's not quite as dark or murkey as the stuff they were playing, and it's not neccessarily the same stuff as "progressive house" was, but similar, a bit more like melodic trance i'de say though. |
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| kr00t0n |
| quote: | Originally posted by Light The Fuse
that is one of the most arrogant things i have ever read. |
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